The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Silver]

Following Jesus doesn't work because the gardener does not need to be supervised as though he does not know what he is doing.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Wait, so the Old Testament is still 100% valid, so says Jesus?
SWEET! Leviticus 25:44-46 says I can own slaves, as long as they're not my own people. 
I'm sick to death of mowing my own lawn or having to pay someone to do it.
And to think, I was about to invest in a new lawn tractor!

Yep, feel free to do whatevvvvver you want. You could even (if you're in the market for a wife), rape a girl you like and pay a fine. Then she will become your wife!

Yeah, but then I could never divorce her!

Womp womp.

[Mystical]

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Yeah.. You're right! Best join the holy soldiers club, then. That way (if you don't die ) you get to take on a sex slave as a wife and if she displeases you then (or you find someone better), she can just leave! You'd be A. Getting to rent her body, and B. Giving her her freedom after having killed her entire family and taken her virtue! Win win, right? The only downside I guess is the month long "mourning" waiting period.

(Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Oh and guess what happens if your wife gets raped in the city?

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

And if you have any doubt as to whether god approves or not, then surely the words of his beloved son Moses are clear enough, yes? Kill all the women who have slept with a man, keep the virgins and children and 'enjoy the spoils god has granted you'.

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Thank god all of this stuff didn't really happen, right? Like the Jews building the pyramids?

Graves of the pyramid builders were first discovered in the area in 1990 when a tourist on horseback stumbled over a wall that later proved to be a tomb.
One popular myth that Egyptologists say was perpetrated in part by Hollywood movies held that ancient Israelite slaves — ancestors of the Jewish people — built the pyramids.

Amihai Mazar, professor at the Institute of Archaeology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, says that myth stemmed from an erroneous claim by former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, on a visit to Egypt in 1977, that Jews built the pyramids. “No Jews built the pyramids because Jews didn’t exist at the period when the pyramids were built,” Professor Mazar says.

[Rekeisha]

What makes you think it's a "Him"?

He is a Father and a son even though he is a spirit. So He refers to Himself that way.

[houseofcantor]

Has someone mentioned the problem of his non-existence? 

[Rekeisha]

I believe you thougt you were a christian. If you look back then you will see I wrote that I believed you.

Also your statments of religins are an over generlization. If the studies that you are kind of referncing treated them in the same manner I am dubious of their findings.

I don't feel like prayers are fulfilled they have been fulfilled specifically. There are christians who keep prayer books in order to track their full fillment.

Also all those who say they are a theist don't all believe in God. I would say in america a lot of people give a mental nod to God but have never accpeted Him as their Lord and savior.

i am not mad or angry that you don't believe my testemony because it isn't my job to get you to believe. I am not here to promote myself I am just a person. My job is to testify about the truth and pray for you. I do both. God love you and everyone on this forum and everyone on the planet so much that He gave His only begotten Son. He lived a sinless life and died a humlitating and paiful death in order to free you Mr. Redbeard from your sin. If you repent He will give you everlasting life and free you from the bonds of sin. That is the truth no matter how you feel about it.

Nope. Sorry. You've clearly just been indoctrinated into believing and repeating the same garbage, no matter what anyone says to you or shows you. If only your mind hadn't been forced shut and locked tight at such a young age, you might be able to see and experience reality as it truly is. The only thing that can save you from your ignorance is to open your mind and accept reality as your personal lord and savior, so you can begin a personal relationship with reality and start mending your poor, tortured, broken mind. You need reality to save you from your ignorance, and that's the truth no matter how you feel about it.


Also, you're talking to an apostate preacher's kid. Your christian mind tricks won't work on me. Anything you could possibly tell me about the Gospel is something I've already told at least 100 other people myself. Simply repeating your Chick-Tract spiel is useless and just makes it more clear that you've been indoctrinated into repeating scripted drivel instead of critically thinking and formulating answers. I'm not mad or angry that you won't accept reality. I'm just here to testify about the truth.

My mother's stepfather was a preacher. He was an angry man. (not saying that your father is) She felt like Christianity was bondage too. After she got out of her mother's house she didn't regularly attend church until I was in junior High. She now has a real relationship with God and does not feel bound like she did when she was under that man's rule.  My pastor also was a preacher's kid. In college he would talk people out of their faith in Christ. Then He met Jesus while he was in college and has lead our church for more than 20 years. It is not religion that keeps me in this faith it is a relationship with God. Through Jesus sacrifice on the cross for my sins and the grace of the Holy Spirit that keeps me in this relationship.

[Rekeisha]

It is simple to follow God just trust and obey Him

How the fuck did that simple message mutate into 40,000 schisms ??

You HAVE to be wrong.  And being wrong about Salvation sucks.

Your just begging for a red hot 1957 Cadillac (big tail finned mother fucker) to get shoved up your rectum by Satan Himself for guessing wrong.

Sin create schisms and God is smarter than all of us so he can save us despite our in ablity to obey. All we have to do is repent and accept his death and ressurection on the cross for our salvation. Then we enter into a relationship with Him.

[vorlon13]

The majority of folks in those 40,000 schisms will say they are doing precisely that.

Your answer didn't help at all.

You're implying Mormons, for example, are Saved. Clearly, that's not the case, since Joseph Smith made up the whole mess of it.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sin create schisms and God is smarter than all of us so he can save us despite our in ablity to obey. All we have to do is repent and accept his death and ressurection on the cross for our salvation. Then we enter into a relationship with Him.

You mean, all we have to do is become ghoulish scapegoating cunts and god will reward us /w blissful eternity?  I can see the appeal, for some........but I'm still not interested.

[Rekeisha]

 
If He told me what I wanted to hear I would be asleep right now. My house would always be a mess. I would be a shut in and never speak to my neighbors. I would be divorced and everyone would be against me. Also I would have probably let loose a couple of times on you guys, but probably not because I wouldn't even spend time on this.  So no God does not tell me what I want to here. That is why God is good because he tells me what I need to hear and enables me to acomplish His good plan. His death and ressurection has given me a new life and this life is good. I am grateful for all he has done and called me to do. Hr is far better than anything I could ever make up.

Also I am not on my computer and can not see your signature.

You do know you just admitted that without 'god', you'd be a smelly shut-in antisocial whore who yells at strangers over the internet? Is that how you picture all atheist women or do you just know yourself so well that you know where things would go if you just "let go". Well, hate to break it to you, but even if you de-Saviorized, you'd still have the inconvenience of living life, to perform.  
I think your problem is you identify self preservation thoughts (which are as a matter of faCt, a production of evolution), for god. You associate all positive thoughts with god even if they're just your own! 
See I have voice I my head too, that says get up and take care of yourself and take a shower Luckie (no one likes to be or be around smelly people). Do the laundry Luckie (again, hygiene is important for survival). Don't sleep with strangers, Luckie--it's just not proper in a society to do that, is it and you might get a disease! :

You and I may have differing reasons for doing something (like apparently you take showers for Jesus) and I take them to be clean--but they're the same thoughts. It's simple evolution, my dear. We all know what's best for us based upon the information we have at hand. My informed decision about the bible being nonsense and the earth as we know it a result of evolution--means I  actually did the research and you didn't. 

Any other examples of what you believe to be god speaking to you?

Only speaking of myself because I know how God has changed me. When I said let loose I didn't mean sleep around. Christianity isn't just about self it is about God and glorifying Him. God has worked on my fears and anxieties and discipline but most of all on my love for others. This isn't about performance to do the right things but to be with God and to know Him. When He redeemed me from my sins it wasn't just to save me from hell but to also redeem all of me. My way of thinking, my feelings, my habits, my relationships, ect.