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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
October 9, 2015 at 11:34 pm
(October 9, 2015 at 9:47 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 9, 2015 at 4:59 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, in your version of free will, god created me, knowing all along that I would not be convinced that he existed.
And he did this, knowing that I will be punished for eternity for the finite crime of disbelief.
Why would he create atheists knowing that we will be punished?
there's a chance they might be saved
Not if that beastly thing you call gawd knows them as intimately as you claim. Or, are you saying gawd is sometimes wrong?!?
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
October 9, 2015 at 11:36 pm
(October 9, 2015 at 9:56 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: it makes me question your beliefs.
What beliefs?!? We're atheists, ass-hat.
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
October 9, 2015 at 11:46 pm
I'm suspecting that Daniel is in denial of our dragon! It sure sounds like it. Don't fight it.
Denying it doesn't make it any less real.... Embrace it!
Isn't that what you're asking of us?
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
October 9, 2015 at 11:59 pm
(October 9, 2015 at 4:41 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (October 9, 2015 at 10:40 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: God has loved you before He formed you in your mother's womb. He has known you before the world was created. He gave you life and when you were dead spiritually, He came to the rescue. He then makes you His child and loves you for eternity.
I don't believe in things because they sound nice. I believe things because there is evidence for them. There is no evidence of any of the above.
Over the Rainbow sounds nice.
But that doesn't mean OZ exists. Kansas, now Kansas exists, idiotic creationists and all.
This one sounds nicer though.
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
October 10, 2015 at 5:09 am
(October 9, 2015 at 9:56 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 9, 2015 at 7:07 pm)robvalue Wrote: The only argument I'm seeing for why we should become Christian is because of what God will do to us to punish us if we don't. In other words, it's a mugging.
Is that the best you got?
The problem is, you're pointing a non-existent gun at our head. The fact that you think it's real says an awful lot more about you than us. Take ownership at least; you are threatening us. And not just with harm, not just with death, but with everlasting torture. I can't take such nonsense seriously so I don't give a shit, but this is really about the most heinous way you could possibly talk to another human being.
that's strange how you are threatened or offended. If a person believed in the spaghetti monster and said I would burn for eternity, I wouldn't even frown for a millisecond. yet its the same situation with you. You think my God is fake, yet you're thoroughly offended and threatened. A real atheist wouldn't care at all. Like I don't care about your thoughts. Its meaningless to me. why are you so angry? it makes me question your beliefs.
Okay, this is hilarious. Add another one to the "just doesn't get it" files.
When we talk about the "threats" you're making in the name of your deity, we're talking in hypotheticals, as in: "If I assume for a moment that your story about Shiva the Destructor is real (a Hindu god that is supposed to destroy the world at the end of time), then what you are telling me is obviously, in your mind, a threat that you are making to me right now."
You think your threats are real; we do not.
It's offensive that you think it's okay to make such threats, which in any other context (like threatening me vicariously through your brother) would be completely unacceptable, even if you didn't really have a brother but were just making it up as a proxy.
We don't "frown for a second" when you make these threats, we find you hilarious.
The "why are you so angry" is the same crap that's slung at us by every moron who comes here convinced he's really, genuinely telling us what Allah will do to us for being infidels.
The only person in this entire conversation who thinks we're actually under threat is you. Your entire premise is mental masturbation. We find you annoying, not frightening. It is a little bit offensive that you are allowed by society to go around making threats to people about your "loving God" who has just gotta burn people in the eternal fires it created for anyone who won't follow a particular religion out of thousands, prior to having real evidence, since it's obvious to us you don't have a god, you have a psycho for an imaginary friend... but we're forced to listen to you prattle on about your imaginary friend, and to tell us over and over and over and over about what your imaginary friend is going to do to us.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
October 10, 2015 at 5:12 am
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I wouldn't worship an all powerful God but if he or she could be proved to exist I'd be grateful to him or her any time they simply stayed out of worldly matters and didn't fuck things up more than they already are.
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
October 10, 2015 at 7:55 am
(October 8, 2015 at 8:28 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Just for fun, I would like to see what kind of god atheists would see fit to worship or accept.
Athiest's commit idolatry as there world is there God.
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
October 10, 2015 at 8:21 am
That's rich coming from someone who worships a book. And not even a decently written book.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
October 10, 2015 at 8:36 am
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(October 8, 2015 at 8:56 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: would there be a law? Yeah. It would be: "Thou shalt not permit excessive and unnecessary suffering," and its primary follower would be the one allegedly lacking the freedom to oppose it.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
October 10, 2015 at 8:58 am
(October 10, 2015 at 7:55 am)Randys brother Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 8:28 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Just for fun, I would like to see what kind of god atheists would see fit to worship or accept.
Athiest's commit idolatry as there world is there God.
Oh, for fork's sake...
The word is "their" T-H-E-I-R.
"There" means a place, like "over there", as opposed to "here".
"Their" is a posessive, meaning "belonging to them".
If you want us to take you seriously as anything other than someone who felt like coming here to harass us, try starting with basic literacy. I'm not a fanatic of grammatical perfection, but for crying out loud, man!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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