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RE: Leftwing Crazies And Their Climate Of Hate, Radicalism And Intolerance
June 18, 2017 at 8:21 am
(June 18, 2017 at 5:24 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think this play is obviously pushing the bounderies of free speech. It's very graphically showing a gang stab Donald Trump to death.
Its a fucking Shakespeare play that's what happens in the play.
They gave the leader a Trumpish look to be relevant, the same way they do to every political leader ever.
RE: Leftwing Crazies And Their Climate Of Hate, Radicalism And Intolerance
June 18, 2017 at 8:44 am
(June 18, 2017 at 5:24 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think this play is obviously pushing the bounderies of free speech. It's very graphically showing a gang stab Donald Trump to death.
So why then weren't you and Woters and scooby and CL and all the others of your ilk up in arms when the same play featured Barry O'Bama (the most recent legitimate president) in the Iulius Caesar role?
RE: Leftwing Crazies And Their Climate Of Hate, Radicalism And Intolerance
June 18, 2017 at 9:04 am (This post was last modified: June 18, 2017 at 9:13 am by A Theist.)
(June 18, 2017 at 8:21 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(June 18, 2017 at 5:24 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think this play is obviously pushing the bounderies of free speech. It's very graphically showing a gang stab Donald Trump to death.
Its a fucking Shakespeare play that's what happens in the play.
They gave the leader a Trumpish look to be relevant, the same way they do to every political leader ever.
Something like this? barack odumber in the role of Julius Caesar.
It can still be relevant by using the original character of Julius Caesar. There's no reason to use a modern day political figure in that role unless you're the director trying to stir up controversy by targeting that figure with your expression of hatred.
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RE: Leftwing Crazies And Their Climate Of Hate, Radicalism And Intolerance
June 18, 2017 at 9:28 am
Except, again, it wasn't an expression of hatred, and again, your lack of outrage when Obama was portrayed as Julius Caesar in 2012 is noted. The 'liberal outrage' was missing there as well.
I know you went away for a couple of days to recharge in your Breitbart echo chamber, but the point of the play isn't a promotion of the assassination of Trump. It's a warning to our society about the dangers of single unilateral actors. Trump fancies himself a dictator, and Brutus and Cassius fancied themselves saviors of the Republic. This isn't the thing you want it to be. It won't be; no matter how hard you hold your ears and neener neener it away.
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RE: Leftwing Crazies And Their Climate Of Hate, Radicalism And Intolerance
June 18, 2017 at 9:36 am
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Can we please get this out of the way? None of what is happening at the top of government now is normal. None of it. And no one should normalize it. No one.
We have a President who lies without a second thought. Big bold lies that are easily disproven. That is not normal.
We have serious allegations around obstruction of justice by that President. That is not normal.
We have an FBI director fired for insisting to continue pursuing a serious investigation into the sanctify of our republic. It has never happened before in our history. That is not normal.
We have a hostile foreign power attacking and undermining our electoral process. That is not normal.
We have an Attorney General under a serious shadow of association with said foreign power, with indications that there is much more to this story than we yet know. That is not normal.
We have Federal judges, our closest foreign allies, and the free press under scurrilous attack from the President and his enablers. At the same time we have despots praised. That is not normal.
We have an Administration fanning the flames of division over race, ethnicity, religion, sexuality, and gender. That is not normal.
We have an overhaul of our entire health care system being written in secret on a rapid time frame. That is not normal.
We have a sordid confluence of the President's business interests and his political power. That is not normal.
The list could go on and on. And feel free to add your own to the comments section.
What concerns me even more than any of these items is the fact that they are largely being met by a shrug or excuses from most Republican elected officials.
Even many Democrats seem overwhelmed and are inclined to let some of this just ride. That may be how politics works. But this is bigger. It's about our nation.
We are shifting the goalposts for our democracy. We are failing to be outraged by the outrageous because there is something even more outrageous that always seems to hit the news cycle. And that is dangerous.
What gives me hope is we have had waves of abnormality in our country's history. And we've had times when what we would consider now to be not normal, like segregation, was considered normal. What has centered and saved our country time and again is civic engagement. I believe that most people in this nation don't think any of this is normal. And they could very well vote out those elected officials in both parties who are normalizing these outrages.
RE: Leftwing Crazies And Their Climate Of Hate, Radicalism And Intolerance
June 18, 2017 at 10:36 am
Pushing the boundaries of free speech is not the same as crossing the boundaries. Ironically, back when Shakespeare wrote his plays he had to be extremely careful not to upset the powers that be; so he had to use carefully constructed euphemisms and deep satire. That's probably one reason why his work is still relevant to the modern political picture, as attested by the OP.
As I said, social commentary.
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RE: Leftwing Crazies And Their Climate Of Hate, Radicalism And Intolerance
June 18, 2017 at 11:37 am (This post was last modified: June 18, 2017 at 11:43 am by paulpablo.)
(June 18, 2017 at 8:44 am)Tazzycorn Wrote:
(June 18, 2017 at 5:24 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think this play is obviously pushing the bounderies of free speech. It's very graphically showing a gang stab Donald Trump to death.
So why then weren't you and Woters and scooby and CL and all the others of your ilk up in arms when the same play featured Barry O'Bama (the most recent legitimate president) in the Iulius Caesar role?
I'm not up in arms about this as I stated. I wasn't up in arms about whatever else you're talking about because this is the first I've heard of it.
(June 18, 2017 at 8:44 am)Tazzycorn Wrote:
(June 18, 2017 at 5:24 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think this play is obviously pushing the bounderies of free speech. It's very graphically showing a gang stab Donald Trump to death.
So why then weren't you and Woters and scooby and CL and all the others of your ilk up in arms when the same play featured Barry O'Bama (the most recent legitimate president) in the Iulius Caesar role?
I'm not up in arms about this as I stated. I wasn't up in arms about whatever else you're talking about because this is the first I've heard of it.
(June 18, 2017 at 8:21 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(June 18, 2017 at 5:24 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think this play is obviously pushing the bounderies of free speech. It's very graphically showing a gang stab Donald Trump to death.
Its a fucking Shakespeare play that's what happens in the play.
They gave the leader a Trumpish look to be relevant, the same way they do to every political leader ever.
And he doesn't look trumpish by accident.
It's a play about the assassination of Donald trump.
Just like animal farm isn't just a story of a farm full of animals.
The images used are for a purpose.
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RE: Leftwing Crazies And Their Climate Of Hate, Radicalism And Intolerance
June 18, 2017 at 11:48 am (This post was last modified: June 18, 2017 at 11:56 am by The Grand Nudger.)
No, Pablo, that's not what Julias Ceasar is about...lol.
As others have tried to explain, it's about the same thing it's always been about - but had to be written so intentionally broad as to encopmpass all manner of then current, now past,. and future despots. I mean, honestly, if you think that it's about killing trump, if the reboot is that compelling, whose fault is that, shakespeare's or trumps? Yes, it's intentional, the purpose is to modernize the play, to make it relatable and current.
In our own time, the assassination scene is already over. The leakers and the administration traitors that brought all of trumps problems to light, the reps who stalled his "agenda" even though they had complete control of government, have already dealt him a hundred cuts. One wonders who Trumps Brutus might have been, and how this will all pan out for them.
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