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RE: Which denominations have you spotted on this forum?
August 14, 2017 at 3:10 pm
(August 14, 2017 at 2:29 pm)Drich Wrote: (August 14, 2017 at 10:18 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Cat fight! Can't wait for them to duke it out to see whose the dumbest. My money is on Drippy.
No.. I not saying one can not be saved and be a catholic I am simply pointing out why "we" (any of us) can not call ourselves Christian. That is a title only Jesus can award. we can only say we follow Christ or not. Even then that i not a prerequisite to salvation, as I can name a whole bunch of names of men who did not follow Christ but will be in Heaven.
Can you share some of those names?
When it comes to the eternal state of a person's soul, I find that it is not my place to cast judgement... and so I always try to take the most charitable assumption.
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RE: Which denominations have you spotted on this forum?
August 14, 2017 at 3:12 pm
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(August 14, 2017 at 10:25 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wasn't talking about the FLDS. I was talking about mainstream Mormons. Yes, all the Mormons I've ever met have been salt of the earth people, and I like them.
What? "Mainstream" Mormons that all chant how gays should all kill themselves you call Salt of the Earth (preservers of morality), well shame on you. Take at least look at the documentary 8: The Mormon Proposition (2010) you'll see what I'm talking about.
Or look at the Boy Scouts. Isn't it weird that Boy Scouts are required to believe in God (any god, really) and can't be gay, when Girl Scouts seem to get along just fine without the bigotry towards either atheists or homosexuals? Why is that?
Maybe it's because the Mormons are the largest chartering organization of the Boy Scouts of America. Boy Scouts are predominantly (68.4%) sponsored by churches, with the LDS church taking the lion's share, sponsoring fully a third of all scouting units.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Which denominations have you spotted on this forum?
August 14, 2017 at 3:19 pm
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They most certainly don't all say or think that gays should kill themselves.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Which denominations have you spotted on this forum?
August 14, 2017 at 3:43 pm
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(August 14, 2017 at 10:04 am)Drich Wrote: (August 12, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I cannot think of a clear example of where the Church of Rome directly contradicts any scriptural mandate. There is definitely some room for dispute about the role of confession, the nature of the eucharist, apostolic succession, etc. I think you will find that the papal encyclicals and such are much more nuanced than protestants give them credit. At the same time, the language they contain can seem a little weasily from the outside looking in.
Really?!?! do you want clear examples?
1 tim 4:1-5 Warns us of false teachers. one of the first things that identifies a false teacher is a restriction for anyone to marry. This includes those who serve God. Matter of fact we are told that should any of us burn with passion we should marry.
Then there is this whole other issue of worshiping (worship being defined as: verb 1. show reverence and adoration for; honor with religious rites.) Saints and angels. We are clearly told NOT to do this. Yet The R/C church not only endorses this practice but enforces and defines which demi god/saint to pray to for what you are suffering from. These men/saints have no place nor power outside what The Holy Spirit enables them to do. Even Christ as a man was empowered by the Holy Spirit (His words) therefore our worship should be directed to the Holy Spirit/God and not any man. So to pray to or worship anyone but God is a form of idolatry. which again is in direct violation of God's law.
There is also relic worship. that is the empowerment of items deemed holy in that they retain power from the original user. This as people seeking things for salvation or relief and not God, again another form of idolatry.
I can understand how you could see those things as such. My point was that if people took the time to read the Catholic literature careful, they would be surprised at the contrast between what is formally teaches by the Roman Catholic magisteriate and what the laity practice. For example, saints, including Mary, and angels are NOT objects of worship. You can find as much HERE. As for the priestly vows of celebacy I haven't given it much thought. You may be right or there may be subtleties of doctrine of which both you and I are unaware. Maybe they got that one wrong, but I don't think that is a core doctrine.
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RE: Which denominations have you spotted on this forum?
August 14, 2017 at 5:47 pm
(August 14, 2017 at 2:29 pm)Drich Wrote: No.. I not saying one can not be saved and be a catholic I am simply pointing out why "we" (any of us) can not call ourselves Christian. That is a title only Jesus can award. we can only say we follow Christ or not. Even then that i not a prerequisite to salvation, as I can name a whole bunch of names of men who did not follow Christ but will be in Heaven.
Whoa....You mean you can name actual names?
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RE: Which denominations have you spotted on this forum?
August 15, 2017 at 4:43 pm
(August 14, 2017 at 3:19 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: They most certainly don't all say or think that gays should kill themselves.
Then next time ask your beloved Mormons what they think about gays and how should they be handled.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Which denominations have you spotted on this forum?
August 15, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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I already know.
Mormons believe that it is a sin to act on homosexual attraction, though having homosexual attraction in and of itself is not a sin because it is not freely chosen. They see gays as people equal in dignity and loved by God just the same as everyone else, as we are all sinners.
This is the same belief regarding homosexuality as the majority of Christian denominations. Mormons are no different in that sense.
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RE: Which denominations have you spotted on this forum?
August 15, 2017 at 6:17 pm
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Clerical celibacy is ecclesiastical law, not church doctrine. They grant priests dispensation to marry, and there was a time that there was no prohibition whatsoever - it caused issues.
@Cath, juxtapose that with The Man Himself, (jesus, fyi) telling people that thoughtcrimes are sinful whether we act on them or not. Having a lust for peen, in your heart, is a sin, in and of itself..according to god - despite what the mormons or the catholics say on the matter to placate their gay parishoners and polite society. It's a shame that the RCC turned into a bunch of PC cucks - but I guess that's what happens.
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RE: Which denominations have you spotted on this forum?
August 15, 2017 at 6:37 pm
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(August 15, 2017 at 4:52 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I already know.
Mormons believe that it is a sin to act on homosexual attraction, though having homosexual attraction in and of itself is not a sin because it is not freely chosen. They see gays as people equal in dignity and loved by God just the same as everyone else, as we are all sinners.
This is the same belief regarding homosexuality as the majority of Christian denominations. Mormons are no different in that sense.
What's the Mormon position regarding group sex?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Which denominations have you spotted on this forum?
August 15, 2017 at 6:39 pm
Depends STRONGLY on who's doing it.
Just ask Joe Smith.
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