Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?

[Astreja]

God doesn't work by human rules and you should know that.

That's because your god doesn't "work" at all -- it's no more than a primitive fiction that humanity is gradually outgrowing.

I do not use it as a threat, how could I...

I disagree.  I think that at very least you use it to attempt to regain the upper hand in the conversation.  I do hold you responsible for your threats regardless, because your imaginary friend ain't the one making 'em.

Even if I had a nightmare like that it would not sway my belief because of my love and devotion to God and I know almost all my family is saved.

From my POV, not one of you is actually "saved."  I believe that there are no gods, heavens or hells awaiting any of you, and that your fates are identical to mine -- death and insentience, and the loss of everything we ever knew and believed, without any hope whatsoever of continuance beyond the grave.  You will one day lose your faith, and not even know that it is gone.

[Ravenshire]

If I can't pay it off myself, the debt is illegitimate and can simply be ignored.  I reject salvation unconditionally.

The idea that a god-man of dubious historicity is the only way to prevent eternal torture by a tyrannical butt-hurt bastard of a deity is... amusing.  Your way of thinking is so out of touch with reality and morality that I can't even feel sorry for you.

 I do not need the your sympathy and I'm in touch with reality and morality. By the way god does not torture you choose it.

GC

Gawd created the torturers and the torture chamber, yet it's absolved of all responsibility for the torture performed there.

[Godscreated]

 I do not need the your sympathy and I'm in touch with reality and morality. By the way god does not torture you choose it.

GC

Gawd created the torturers and the torture chamber, yet it's absolved of all responsibility for the torture performed there.

 God did create hell and it's not torture when you choose to subject yourself to hell, you have a choice, no one need to be in hell.

GC

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God doesn't work by human rules and you should know that.

That's because your god doesn't "work" at all -- it's no more than a primitive fiction that humanity is gradually outgrowing.

Really, there are more Christians now than ever before. God's at work ceaselessly and I have seen Him in action. 

I do not use it as a threat, how could I...

I disagree.  I think that at very least you use it to attempt to regain the upper hand in the conversation.  I do hold you responsible for your threats regardless, because your imaginary friend ain't the one making 'em.

No, I've stated this since I've been here but, it's your right to disagree. You can't hold God nor myself responsible because neither of us use it as a scare tactic, neither of us want to see anyone in hell. The choice is your's to make and it is what it is.

Even if I had a nightmare like that it would not sway my belief because of my love and devotion to God and I know almost all my family is saved.

From my POV, not one of you is actually "saved."  I believe that there are no gods, heavens or hells awaiting any of you, and that your fates are identical to mine -- death and insentience, and the loss of everything we ever knew and believed, without any hope whatsoever of continuance beyond the grave.  You will one day lose your faith, and not even know that it is gone.

 I thank God your opinion doesn't count for who is saved. I'm most certainly glad I do not have to live with those thoughts. I know there is God and that much of my family will be with me in heaven. We all will experience the physical death some day but the spirit of man that God created will live on without ceasing. You may never be in heaven and I personally consider that a loss.

GC

[Ravenshire]

Gawd created the torturers and the torture chamber, yet it's absolved of all responsibility for the torture performed there.

 God did create hell and it's not torture when you choose to subject yourself to hell, you have a choice, no one need to be in hell.

GC

You'll give your gawd a pass on any evil, won't you?

[Astreja]

I thank God your opinion doesn't count for who is saved. I'm most certainly glad I do not have to live with those thoughts. I know there is God and that much of my family will be with me in heaven. We all will experience the physical death some day but the spirit of man that God created will live on without ceasing. You may never be in heaven and I personally consider that a loss.

It isn't an opinion so much as a recognition of how the human mind actually works.  If your "soul" can't keep you self-aware in low-frequency deep sleep, not even to dream, what makes you think you'll have awareness when your brain is dead and producing no waveforms at all?

I believe that the soul is imaginary.  I believe that death is the end of the line.  I believe that life after death is only possible when the body has disintegrated and its molecules return to the ecosystem, to be recycled into some other organic form.  It is precisely the finite nature of our lives that makes them precious to me.  I do not consider them a dress rehearsal for an eternal life -- I see them as the life, something to be used wisely and as fully as possible.  I am simply not interested in being "me" forever when I can be many different things instead.

[Harry Nevis]

Gawd created the torturers and the torture chamber, yet it's absolved of all responsibility for the torture performed there.

 God did create hell and it's not torture when you choose to subject yourself to hell, you have a choice, no one need to be in hell.

GC

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That has to be one of the most desperate, inane answers I have ever seen.

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..For God and Jesus.  Father and Son.  Think about it.  Their relationship is fundamentally different than any human father and son EVER.  Use of the phrase, to me, seems to deny the scope/extent/degree/nature of their relationship and misleads those attempting to be faithful to them...

I suppose it was their way of putting it in earthly language that our human minds can relate to.
Jesus reminded us that there are things our minds can't easily grasp-
"You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things, so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?....
....I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going.....you are of this world, I am not of this world" (John 3:12,John 10:38,8:14,8:23)

Yeah, if you can't make sense out of it, it must be soooo deeep....

[rado84]

I think the better terminology would be "incester", if such a word exists. Because Jebus is god and the son of a god, since he fucked his own mother in order to make himself.

[Harry Nevis]

I think the better terminology would be "incester", if such a word exists. Because Jebus is god and the son of a god, since he fucked his own mother in order to make himself.

Incester is bester when you keep it in the family...

[Godscreated]

I thank God your opinion doesn't count for who is saved. I'm most certainly glad I do not have to live with those thoughts. I know there is God and that much of my family will be with me in heaven. We all will experience the physical death some day but the spirit of man that God created will live on without ceasing. You may never be in heaven and I personally consider that a loss.

It isn't an opinion so much as a recognition of how the human mind actually works.  If your "soul" can't keep you self-aware in low-frequency deep sleep, not even to dream, what makes you think you'll have awareness when your brain is dead and producing no waveforms at all?

I believe that the soul is imaginary.  I believe that death is the end of the line.  I believe that life after death is only possible when the body has disintegrated and its molecules return to the ecosystem, to be recycled into some other organic form.  It is precisely the finite nature of our lives that makes them precious to me.  I do not consider them a dress rehearsal for an eternal life -- I see them as the life, something to be used wisely and as fully as possible.  I am simply not interested in being "me" forever when I can be many different things instead.

 Your atoms could very well become peat of something else, you want know it you want even know if they stay the dirt into which they will disappear,never to be anything but dirt. On the other hand I'll be resurrected with a new body for my eternal spirit to reside in eternally. Also you assume and might I say wrongly that the brain and spirit are the same thing.

GC

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 God did create hell and it's not torture when you choose to subject yourself to hell, you have a choice, no one need to be in hell.

GC

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That has to be one of the most desperate, inane answers I have ever seen.

Exactly when did truth become inane. Statement stands.

GC

[Ravenshire]

It isn't an opinion so much as a recognition of how the human mind actually works.  If your "soul" can't keep you self-aware in low-frequency deep sleep, not even to dream, what makes you think you'll have awareness when your brain is dead and producing no waveforms at all?

If the "soul" is where the "you" exists, why can't these asshats explain the personality changes, sometimes quite drastic, that can occur after severe head trauma? Or, split personalities following a corpus callosotomy. It seems to me that "souls" are a convenient way to say "I really don't know fuck-all about this" without having to admit that you really know fuck-all about it. Of course, with GC's propensity to deny science and try to pass off woo as science, I'd have to guess that knowing fuck-all is his default state.