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RationalWiki article on Craig.
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RE: RationalWiki article on Craig.
(August 27, 2017 at 8:38 am)Hammy Wrote: So you guys are more than happy to trust the symptoms written by psychiatrists and say it fits, and yet are completely happy to ignore the fact you'd have to apply those symptoms to a proportion of the population far greater than psychiatrists say it subscribes to.

Okay you two go and play in the sandpit, maybe one day you'll realize how diagnosis actually works and recognize that you can read symptoms to a great deal of conditions and see them in yourself but it doesn't mean you have all those conditions yourself, and that the mistake you're making here fails by exactly the same poor logic.

I don't know anyone in my life who has exhibited even close half of those symptoms (not in front of me, at least, nor according to anyone else I know via hearsay) and I don't give a fuck about most of the rest of the population because I don't know them well enough to make a probabilistic determination (you seem keen to, though, what's THAT all about, I wonder, or is that just typical hypocrisy?) I don't pay attention to most people in the media enough to do mock long-distance diagnoses except for prominent theists and atheists, and virtually all of the theist speakers raise huge red flags on most of those symptoms (and others not on that index) which I noticed in them before I even saw that itemized list. Maybe it's an act and Craig is just the best mind-fucker on the planet. But if not...again, IF THE SHOE FITS. Maybe think a little deeper before you say something anyone of even average mental talent can refute with such ease? Besides, we understand that having all of those symptoms doesn't necessarily mean for sure he's genuinely got that underlying condition, it could be situational or a coincidence or he's unintentionally sending those messages across because he's poor at communicating or at least not without giving off an air of this or that. We're just concluding that based on observations and consistent patterns, he seems to fit the bill, among others in the same profession. We could be wrong but...that's in the category of less likely to be the case, what with how we know religion fucks with the minds of believers and the strong correlation between his behaviors and the symptoms as described.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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#42
RE: RationalWiki article on Craig.
He's really not the best -anything- on the planet.  It's unlikely that he has a disorder of any kind, let alone a disorder on the sociopathy side of the pile.  It's just a job that he does that people want someone to do and that makes money.

I really don't get this.
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#43
RE: RationalWiki article on Craig.
Seriously, denying the number ZERO?

That shit is logically inexcusable.
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#44
RE: RationalWiki article on Craig.
(August 27, 2017 at 11:54 pm)Khemikal Wrote: He's really not the best -anything- on the planet.  It's unlikely that he has a disorder of any kind, let alone a disorder on the sociopathy side of the pile.  It's just a job that he does that people want someone to do and that makes money.

I really don't get this.

So it's all an act. Plausible despite how he presents himself while doing it. I'm willing to go either way with it. I'd start peeling my skin off if I was in that line of work because I'd just feel absolutely filthy and the filth would never, ever come off...
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#45
RE: RationalWiki article on Craig.
Consider this asinine comment from the mouth of Craig:

Quote:I also, secondly, pointed out that there is a Boltzmann Brain problem with respect to Dr. Carroll’s model. It seems to me that he just didn’t respond to the point that I was making, namely, that since every baby universe grows into a de Sitter space, there will be vastly, vastly more of these Boltzmann Brains in the long run than there will be ordinary observers. So what Dr. Carroll would need to do is to justify some non-standard measure of probability that would make ordinary observers more probable than Boltzmann Brains. But he admits that he cannot do it.

Read more: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/god-and-cosmology-the-existence-of-god-in-light-of-contemporary-cosmology#ixzz4r4A8naDm

I worked in Statistical Process Control for 14 years; I would like Craig (or, one of his minions) to define WTF is a "non-standard measure of probability".
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#46
RE: RationalWiki article on Craig.
(August 27, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Astonished Wrote:
(August 27, 2017 at 8:38 am)Hammy Wrote: So you guys are more than happy to trust the symptoms written by psychiatrists and say it fits, and yet are completely happy to ignore the fact you'd have to apply those symptoms to a proportion of the population far greater than psychiatrists say it subscribes to.

Okay you two go and play in the sandpit, maybe one day you'll realize how diagnosis actually works and recognize that you can read symptoms to a great deal of conditions and see them in yourself but it doesn't mean you have all those conditions yourself, and that the mistake you're making here fails by exactly the same poor logic.

I don't know anyone in my life who has exhibited even close half of those symptoms (not in front of me, at least, nor according to anyone else I know via hearsay) and I don't give a fuck about most of the rest of the population because I don't know them well enough to make a probabilistic determination (you seem keen to, though, what's THAT all about, I wonder, or is that just typical hypocrisy?) I don't pay attention to most people in the media enough to do mock long-distance diagnoses except for prominent theists and atheists, and virtually all of the theist speakers raise huge red flags on most of those symptoms (and others not on that index) which I noticed in them before I even saw that itemized list. Maybe it's an act and Craig is just the best mind-fucker on the planet. But if not...again, IF THE SHOE FITS. Maybe think a little deeper before you say something anyone of even average mental talent can refute with such ease? Besides, we understand that having all of those symptoms doesn't necessarily mean for sure he's genuinely got that underlying condition, it could be situational or a coincidence or he's unintentionally sending those messages across because he's poor at communicating or at least not without giving off an air of this or that. We're just concluding that based on observations and consistent patterns, he seems to fit the bill, among others in the same profession. We could be wrong but...that's in the category of less likely to be the case, what with how we know religion fucks with the minds of believers and the strong correlation between his behaviors and the symptoms as described.

This is all about you and Jeanne thinking you're qualified to make diagnoses like this when you're not.

For fuck's sake, why am I wasting my time talking to you two? Ugh, you're never going to understand. For fuck's sake you can read symptoms of many other things and apply them to yourself but it doesn't mean you have all those conditions. It takes a lot more than reading some symptoms and thinking "The shoe fits!" to diagnose someone.

Someone please save me from the idiots.

Bah, I'll save myself. Laters.
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#47
RE: RationalWiki article on Craig.
(August 28, 2017 at 12:04 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(August 27, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Astonished Wrote: I don't know anyone in my life who has exhibited even close half of those symptoms (not in front of me, at least, nor according to anyone else I know via hearsay) and I don't give a fuck about most of the rest of the population because I don't know them well enough to make a probabilistic determination (you seem keen to, though, what's THAT all about, I wonder, or is that just typical hypocrisy?) I don't pay attention to most people in the media enough to do mock long-distance diagnoses except for prominent theists and atheists, and virtually all of the theist speakers raise huge red flags on most of those symptoms (and others not on that index) which I noticed in them before I even saw that itemized list. Maybe it's an act and Craig is just the best mind-fucker on the planet. But if not...again, IF THE SHOE FITS. Maybe think a little deeper before you say something anyone of even average mental talent can refute with such ease? Besides, we understand that having all of those symptoms doesn't necessarily mean for sure he's genuinely got that underlying condition, it could be situational or a coincidence or he's unintentionally sending those messages across because he's poor at communicating or at least not without giving off an air of this or that. We're just concluding that based on observations and consistent patterns, he seems to fit the bill, among others in the same profession. We could be wrong but...that's in the category of less likely to be the case, what with how we know religion fucks with the minds of believers and the strong correlation between his behaviors and the symptoms as described.

This is all about you and Jeanne thinking you're qualified to make diagnoses like this when you're not.

For fuck's sake, why am I wasting my time talking to you two? Ugh, you're never going to understand. For fuck's sake you can read symptoms of many other things and apply them to yourself but it doesn't mean you have all those conditions. It takes a lot more than reading some symptoms and thinking "The shoe fits!" to diagnose someone.

Someone please save me from the idiots.

Bah, I'll save myself. Laters.

By the bar that you have set, there would never be a mental diagnosis made by anyone, ever.  In particular, for narcissism, read what the Mayo had to say:

Quote:When to see a doctor

When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may not want to think that anything could be wrong — doing so wouldn't fit with your self-image of power and perfection. People with narcissistic personality disorder are most likely to seek treatment when they develop symptoms of depression — often because of perceived criticisms or rejections.
If you recognize aspects of your personality that are common to narcissistic personality disorder or you're feeling overwhelmed by sadness, consider reaching out to a trusted doctor or mental health provider. Getting the right treatment can help make your life more rewarding and enjoyable.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-condi...n-20025568

If you don't see that there isn't something terribly wrong with Craig, then, please, explain what a "non-standard measure of probability" is?!  It's just gibberish and the man Craig is just sick, in the head.
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#48
RE: RationalWiki article on Craig.
Everyone I don't like is a narcissistic sociopath!
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#49
RE: RationalWiki article on Craig.
(August 28, 2017 at 1:17 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Everyone I don't like is a narcissistic sociopath!

I despised both Bush presidents, but I never thought that they were narcissistic and/or had a mental illness.  Even Hitler was not narcissistic (in fact, he was a great leader, his horrific ideas notwithstanding); Trump, however, meets the criteria, as does Craig.
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#50
RE: RationalWiki article on Craig.
(August 28, 2017 at 1:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(August 28, 2017 at 1:17 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Everyone I don't like is a narcissistic sociopath!

I despised both Bush presidents, but I never thought that they were narcissistic and/or had a mental illness.  Even Hitler was not narcissistic (in fact, he was a great leader, his horrific ideas notwithstanding); Trump, however, meets the criteria, as does Craig.

You believe Hitler was a great leader do you?

How so?
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