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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 6, 2017 at 1:02 pm
If they were companies operating in the public sphere who took pictures of men with bullwhips up their asses for other customers...but not for gay customers...then..yeah, they -could- be compelled by anti-discrimination laws.
"Hey, take a picture of me with this bullship up my ass, it's for my gay wedding!"
-No, no, that violates my deeply held religious principles!
"You just took a picture of my straight buddy Steve with a bullwhip up his ass......."
-Steve's not queer.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 6, 2017 at 1:04 pm
If tyrants like neo had their way, gay people would be flogged in public.
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 6, 2017 at 1:08 pm
Once again Wooter shows his regressive politics and why it needs to be rejected 
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 6, 2017 at 1:16 pm
(October 6, 2017 at 11:31 am)Divinity Wrote: Did you or did you not compare "Happy Wedding Day Ralph and Steve" to a nazi swastika?
I wasnt comparing, much less "equating" the 2.
I was using the Nazi cake as an extreme example to illustrate why I don't agree that the government should force people to service a cause that goes against their moral convictions, whatever it may be.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 6, 2017 at 1:25 pm
(October 6, 2017 at 1:04 pm)Divinity Wrote: If tyrants like neo had their way, gay people would be flogged in public.
You know what the scary part of all of this is. We could literally turn into Saudi Arabia but you know
constitution and such.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 6, 2017 at 1:31 pm
(October 6, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: "Happy Wedding Day to Ralph and Steve" is equivalent to "Piss Christ", it's just a matter of degree. If would-be tyrants like Divinity had their way, they could force photographers to take pictures of naked men with bullwhips stuck up their asses too.
(October 5, 2017 at 9:58 am)Aroura Wrote: Sexual orientation is like race.
Does race induce certain desires or motivate specific behaviors not found in other races?
Lmao. Neo!!! How many times do I have to tell you you're shit at arguing politics? Let the adults talk. Thank you.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 6, 2017 at 1:33 pm
(October 6, 2017 at 1:31 pm)Aegon Wrote: (October 6, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: "Happy Wedding Day to Ralph and Steve" is equivalent to "Piss Christ", it's just a matter of degree. If would-be tyrants like Divinity had their way, they could force photographers to take pictures of naked men with bullwhips stuck up their asses too.
Does race induce certain desires or motivate specific behaviors not found in other races?
Lmao. Neo!!! How many times do I have to tell you you're shit at arguing politics? Let the adults talk. Thank you.
If only St. Thomas had written about gay wedding cakes . . .
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 6, 2017 at 1:41 pm
Always funny to see people use 'moral convictions' to justify discrimination.
How many of these good Christian folks deny people a wedding cake because it's their second marriage? Or third? Isn't divorce supposed to be against their moral convictions? Yet you NEVER hear these wedding cake fuckers saying they can't sell a cake to someone on their second or third wedding. As long as it's not to someone of the same sex, they're Aok with it.
Funny how that works.
Moral convictions are just an excuse. And a pretty fucking poor one at that.
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 6, 2017 at 1:43 pm
(October 6, 2017 at 12:08 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: (October 6, 2017 at 11:32 am)Joods Wrote: So then what about all those businesses who display signs saying "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason"?
If a for-profit business owner in the service industry, paying taxes on the profit they gain, doesn't have the right to choose who they want to provide their service to, then perhaps they shouldn't have to pay taxes because they are being forced to provide services to those they don't want to.
Morally and ethically, yep, it's wrong to use ones beliefs to discriminate, but at the end of the day, the public isn't paying the expenses that business incurs, so the business should be entitled to bake a cake (for example), for whomever they want.
Will it cost them business? Probably, but that's their lesson to learn. They shouldn't get sued over it. (emphasis is mine)
I have to disagree on this point. The public is exactly who pays the costs these businesses incur. All those costs get passes along to the customers in the price of the products.
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason" does not include refusing to serve someone based on reasons deemed illegal. Refusing to serve someone based on sexual orientation is no different than refusing to serve someone based on skin color.
Excellent point. My thought was that the Baker shouldn't be forced to make a cake for someone if they don't want to. What if the baker decided to close up shop and no longer make cakes at all.
I guess what I'm saying is that, unless there is overwhelming evidence that the baker violated the rights of someone, then you really can't force a private business owner to make something he doesn't want to.
Furthermore, the people involved could simply take their money elsewhere. After all that, I'd be weary of the baker spitting in my cake if a judge forced him to make one.
That's not a cake I'd want to serve at my wedding, regardless.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 6, 2017 at 1:57 pm
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(October 6, 2017 at 1:41 pm)Divinity Wrote: Always funny to see people use 'moral convictions' to justify discrimination.
How many of these good Christian folks deny people a wedding cake because it's their second marriage? Or third? Isn't divorce supposed to be against their moral convictions? Yet you NEVER hear these wedding cake fuckers saying they can't sell a cake to someone on their second or third wedding. As long as it's not to someone of the same sex, they're Aok with it.
Funny how that works.
Moral convictions are just an excuse. And a pretty fucking poor one at that.
You nailed it.
And that's how I know beyond a shadow of a doubt their religious beliefs are NOT sincerely held.
Otherwise those beliefs would not be held intermittently.
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