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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm
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(November 7, 2017 at 10:30 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:28 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I think you forgot all the babies...too. Pharaoh..somehow, forced god to kill the children. Awfully powerful guy, what with getting god to do strange ass shit like that.
OTOH, if the stories can be believed, god never saw a baby he didn't want dead, smashed against the rocks, or raped by marauding hebrews. So he might have been killing two birds with one stone on that one.
This is rich, tell me what is your view on abortion?
What do his views on abortion have to do with the horrific shit Yahweh did? Holy red herring.  Why don't you address the contents of the post?
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm
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(November 7, 2017 at 10:31 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Creation is not God.
Well, duh. Nothing is God, why should 'creation' be an exception?
I am saying it's not possible for God to create himself. It only leaves create will than must choose itself the path it wants to walk. God is upon in the showing of the way, and if he wanted to he could have guides us all, and indeed dark are the avenues misleading away from the light.
I don't understand why you guys just want to argue for sake of arguing. Some of the more renown smart Atheist Philosophers believe the problem of evil has been solved.
Some Atheists wrote books refuting Dawkin's book God delusion and others, because they are more intellectually honest.
Some intellectual honesty will go a long way, perhaps, who knows?
(November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:30 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This is rich, tell me what is your view on abortion?
what the do his views on abortion have to do with the horrific shit Yahweh did? Holy red herring. Why don't you address the contents of the post?
It's a billion times worse, I know, abortion is. Thank you.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:38 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:30 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This is rich, tell me what is your view on abortion?
That it's a great test for an unfaithful wife.
Quote:Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:39 pm
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(November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:31 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well, duh. Nothing is God, why should 'creation' be an exception?
I am saying it's not possible for God to create himself. It only leaves create will than must choose itself the path it wants to walk. God is upon in the showing of the way, and if he wanted to he could have guides us all, and indeed dark are the avenues misleading away from the light.
I don't understand why you guys just want to argue for sake of arguing. Some of the more renown smart Atheist Philosophers believe the problem of evil has been solved.
Some Atheists wrote books refuting Dawkin's book God delusion and others, because they are more intellectually honest.
Some intellectual honesty will go a long way, perhaps, who knows?
(November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: what the do his views on abortion have to do with the horrific shit Yahweh did? Holy red herring. Why don't you address the contents of the post?
It's a billion times worse, I know, abortion is. Thank you.
Abortion is a billion times worse than murdering babies? This is fun. *popcorn*
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:43 pm
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(November 7, 2017 at 10:39 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I am saying it's not possible for God to create himself. It only leaves create will than must choose itself the path it wants to walk. God is upon in the showing of the way, and if he wanted to he could have guides us all, and indeed dark are the avenues misleading away from the light.
I don't understand why you guys just want to argue for sake of arguing. Some of the more renown smart Atheist Philosophers believe the problem of evil has been solved.
Some Atheists wrote books refuting Dawkin's book God delusion and others, because they are more intellectually honest.
Some intellectual honesty will go a long way, perhaps, who knows?
It's a billion times worse, I know, abortion is. Thank you.
Abortion is a billion times worse than murdering babies?
Unlike US nuking two cities in Japan, God has the right to take away life, and when a nation is oppressive, he has the right to destroy it.
Collateral he has the right to do unlike US nuking two cities Japan just to make them fear the possibility of being nuked entirely yet somehow this generations know US would never nuke the whole country while the very purpose of the two nukes was to convince Japanese (who apparently are all too gullible to see the goodness of US that this generation knows) that they would be destroyed if they don't submit.
You show consistency and non-contradiction, and we can talk. Otherwise glass cannons.
And mother entrusted with love of her child killing her baby is the worse crime I can think of to be honest. We are losing our humanity with this secular garbage.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:46 pm
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You mean like with Sodom-san and Gomorrah-genku? The fallout on that one was so bad that Lots wife was turned into a pillar of salt. That's what you get for nagging. At least Lot got a threesome out of the deal though, so it wasn't all bad.
Amiright or amiright?
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:47 pm
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(November 7, 2017 at 10:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:39 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Abortion is a billion times worse than murdering babies?
Unlike US nuking two cities in Japan, God has the right to take away life, and when a nation is oppressive, he has the right to destroy it.
So, it's perfectly fine for god to instruct humans to rape young girls and murder babies, because he's the big bad boss and he has the right to? Thank you for showing us your disgusting true colors, MK. Wasn't this a discussion about morality?
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:48 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:31 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well, duh. Nothing is God, why should 'creation' be an exception?
I am saying it's not possible for God to create himself. It only leaves create will than must choose itself the path it wants to walk.
Do you understand the significance of 'scare quotes'?
(November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't understand why you guys just want to argue for sake of arguing. Some of the more renown smart Atheist Philosophers believe the problem of evil has been solved.
No religion-less person recognizes a problem of evil. It is only a problem for those who believe a perfect being created a perfect creation which has obvious flaws to those not imbibing the koolaid. But you make a good point, there isn't much point in arguing with you while you lack coherence. Catholic lady on the other hand seems much more worth the effort. At the very least we may gain some insight into how reasonable people can come to disagree.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:49 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You mean like with Sodom-san and Gomorrah-genku? The fallout on that one was so bad that Lots wife was turned into a pillar of salt. That's what you get for nagging.
Hell is a lot worse buddy. God makes examples of oppressors and saves believers from them.
Go figure, God helps, he is damned, he let's determine our fate, you complain, yet you would have it that oppressors are killed and dissappear before they commit the crime or have a chance to repent, no redemption, no amends possible, etc.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:49 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 9:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 9:16 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I never have seen a Christian interpret their faith in the way you state
That's par for the course.
So, do you believe a truly repentant murderer or rapist who asks and receives forgiveness from your gawd gets into heaven? Do you believe that those who do not believe in your gawd don't get it? If you believe both of those things, then you seem to interpret your faith exactly as Khem stated.
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