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RE: Too many near death experiences
November 8, 2017 at 4:37 pm
(November 8, 2017 at 4:34 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: (November 8, 2017 at 4:13 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Faith is not a virtue, it is indistinguishable from gullibility.
It as an excuse people use to describe a belief they have, when they have no good reason to believe it is true.
Faith is not a reliable path to truth, when it can lead 1.5 billion Muslims, 1.1 billion Hindus, 2 billion Christians, all to different, mutually exclusive, beliefs.
Please explain why you think faith is a good thing?
Of course I don't want to put a leash on religion. I want it to disappear based on the fact that it is not supported by evidence, logic and reasoned argument.
And it has not gone unnoticed that you did not respond to any of the real world negative consequences I listed in the post you are responding to.
Suicide, drugs and crime are popular. Believers preaching order trough fear isn't the worst stuff.
The ends justify the means, Huh?
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RE: Too many near death experiences
November 8, 2017 at 4:39 pm
Nothing about NDE's supports the existence of the supernatural other than a product of the mind. End.
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RE: Too many near death experiences
November 8, 2017 at 4:55 pm
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(November 8, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: (November 8, 2017 at 4:34 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Suicide, drugs and crime are popular. Believers preaching order trough fear isn't the worst stuff.
The ends justify the means, Huh?
That's believers opinion. I don't have opinion on this depressing stuff.
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RE: Too many near death experiences
November 8, 2017 at 5:06 pm
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Preachers preaching fear contributes to suicide, drugs, and crime. People subjected to an abhorrent environment respond with abhorrent behavior. Believers have opinions on all sorts of shit, the problem is a dearth of facts.
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RE: Too many near death experiences
November 8, 2017 at 5:25 pm
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(November 8, 2017 at 11:59 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Can near death experience stories be made up. Are religious people on the youtube video's are willing to lie about such important things to them to others and still remain in religion? There's just too many different videos on youtube describing nde's torture's of hell . Which seems too good to be true.
The causes of "near death" experiences:
1) Lie
2) Made up but gradually became genuinely believed to be true
3) Patient wasn't as unconscious as they thought they were so experienced what was going on without realising it
4) Association of an event that happened at another time, or that the person witnessed* which got associated to the near death experience after a period of time
5) Imagined (not the same as two, as imagined is something that wasn't even originally a lie)
There are possibly quite a lot more, but I'm not willing to put the thought or the searching effort into it. But what is definitely not a reason is "the patient had a genuine out of body/near death experience".
* Which is the end result of the Sam Parnia study into supposed out of body events, a single man who a year later thought he remembered events which were, essentially, a retelling of an ER (or similarly hospital themed show like Casualty). This was after Parnia twice, during the experiment and during the data analysis, changed the outcomes he was looking for while doing the experiment.
(November 8, 2017 at 2:16 pm)Aegon Wrote: (November 8, 2017 at 12:26 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: That said these are most definitely not in the same category as hallucinations in terms of richness, clarity, complexity, and how dramatically they change the lives of those who have experienced NDE's.
Somebody hasn't tried a high dose of LSD or DMT. Hallucinations can be INCREDIBLY rich, vivid, and complex and drastically change people. NDEs are no different.
Hell, I had some weird hallucinations (mostly aural) just from living in a house alone for two weeks with virtually no outside contact (while in college I spent the majority of the christmas holidays one year staying at my digs studying for the first term exams, nobody was in the house, virtually nobody was in the estate. I think I talked to somebody else three times in fourteen days).
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RE: Too many near death experiences
November 8, 2017 at 6:39 pm
(November 8, 2017 at 4:34 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: (November 8, 2017 at 4:13 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Faith is not a virtue, it is indistinguishable from gullibility.
It as an excuse people use to describe a belief they have, when they have no good reason to believe it is true.
Faith is not a reliable path to truth, when it can lead 1.5 billion Muslims, 1.1 billion Hindus, 2 billion Christians, all to different, mutually exclusive, beliefs.
Please explain why you think faith is a good thing?
Of course I don't want to put a leash on religion. I want it to disappear based on the fact that it is not supported by evidence, logic and reasoned argument.
And it has not gone unnoticed that you did not respond to any of the real world negative consequences I listed in the post you are responding to.
Suicide, drugs and crime are popular. Believers preaching order trough fear isn't the worst stuff.
Funny thing is, the countries with the highest percentage of atheists, have among the lowest crime rates, suicide rates and drug addiction.
So, you contention that 'believers preaching order trough fear' does not seem to be supported by the evidence.
The country with the highest suicide rate is Sri Lanka, with 99% believers. Sweden is at least 70% atheist, and their suicide rate is number 46 in the world.
Same goes for crime rates. The most atheistic countries in the world have substantially lower crime rates the the most religious.
Same with drug addiction, with a few exceptions.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Too many near death experiences
November 8, 2017 at 6:47 pm
No! Not an NDE thread!
Quick - bolt the door before it attracts You Know Who..!
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RE: Too many near death experiences
November 8, 2017 at 6:49 pm
Eh, Fuck...I think I see him on his majestic stag; just over the horizon.
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RE: Too many near death experiences
November 8, 2017 at 7:11 pm
When a girl is a virgin, she does not queef. If they queef, it means they are impure and had pre-marital sex. The queef is a demon being released from their genitals. The more they queef, the more pre-marital sex they have had. It is the way God designed women so men would know if they are impure on their wedding night.
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RE: Too many near death experiences
November 8, 2017 at 8:23 pm
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(November 8, 2017 at 6:47 pm)Cyberman Wrote: No! Not an NDE thread!
Quick - bolt the door before it attracts You Know Who..!
I'll start David Carradine's exhumation, ya know, just in case.
(November 8, 2017 at 7:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: When a girl is a virgin, she does not queef. If they queef, it means they are impure and had pre-marital sex. The queef is a demon being released from their genitals. The more they queef, the more pre-marital sex they have had. It is the way God designed women so men would know if they are impure on their wedding night.
If a virgin has an NDE during which she experiences NDE sex, does she NDE queef only?
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