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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 6:25 pm
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(November 8, 2017 at 5:47 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: That's the Sunni and Shiite tradition, that is based on the Hadith and the saying of the clergy of each sect. Technically it's just one of them. The other side says that baby girls buried alive go to hell along with the one who buried them alive. 
Quote:The Quran doesn't say a thing about kids being punished.
-doesn't say they aren't...and as we've already established, allah does whatever the fuck allah wants. If he wants to send a kid to hell because he doesn't like the look of the kid, or because it's thursday...
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Quote:So if there is no constraint on the sick and the blind; how could there be constraints on the child?
For discipline purposes, maybe. But totally not religious as far as I know.
Please check if the source you're using is based on Shiite/Sunni folklore, or the Quran only.
I go back and forth between them both or just magic book at will. Your internecine squabbles are no problem of mine. None of it is any more or less credible than any other bit.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 6:25 pm
Quote:I assume this is a joke?
No a historical fact
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 6:30 pm
(November 8, 2017 at 6:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 8, 2017 at 6:16 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Why would Hitler be in hell? He allegedly believed he was doing "God's" work. Even if he didnt truly believe that, I'm pretty sure there are no records of him committing any atrocity. He did kill his dog and ultimately himself, but outside his WW1 I don't know as he actually killed anyone with his own hands.
I assume this is a joke?
Why, do you see a punchline? I'm asking a serious question. Why would Hitler be in hell?
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 8:50 am
I want to ask the religionists here, does your own morality concur with those of your god?
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 10:04 am
Cyberman Wrote:Catholic_Lady Wrote:I assume this is a joke?
Why, do you see a punchline? I'm asking a serious question. Why would Hitler be in hell?
If nothing else, in Catholicism suicide is a mortal sin.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 10:32 am
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Ah, but we've established that "in catholicism" is not an accurate indicator for what CL believes.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 10:39 am
(November 9, 2017 at 10:32 am)Khemikal Wrote: Ah, but we've establish that "in catholicism" is not an accurate indicator for what CL believes. For example, she doesn't believe that people who die in mortal sin go straight to hell, that hell is eternal fire, or that people who go to hell have to stay in hell.
She thinks that at least some people who die in mortal sin...atheists the world over who hear and reject the word, and believers of other religions the world over who hear and reject the word..might get to call a mulligan on life and the state of their soul at death...and get into heaven. She believes that being in hell relies on a continuous rejection of god.
It's conceivable that Hitler got a pass through the pearlies on any of these.
No doubt. I mean once you stand before the face of god and realize His perfection, you'd realize "gosh, I shouldn't have gassed all those jews. What the hell was I thinking? But now I know what true perfection is, I choose that. Lord, can I have that seat next to you? Thanks."
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 10:50 am
(November 9, 2017 at 10:04 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Cyberman Wrote:Why, do you see a punchline? I'm asking a serious question. Why would Hitler be in hell?
If nothing else, in Catholicism suicide is a mortal sin.
It's a grave sin. Whether or not a grave sin becomes a mortal sin depends on the person's culpability, which in my opinion is always lessened greately due to a persons mental state when they go as far as to kill themselves.
He's probably in Hell for the hatred he had in his heart and for all the heinous, evil things he had done to millions of innocent people. But I'm sure I didn't need to say that.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 10:57 am
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(November 8, 2017 at 9:36 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Not believing that God exists, or being of a different faith than Christianity, isn't the same as conscientiously refusing to love Him. We have to first believe He is real before choosing to turn our backs to Him, and theres no way to know who did that. That's why we as Catholics specifically steer clear of assuming any particular person is in Hell. The source you posted itself said that the only beings we can be absolutely sure are in Hell are Satan and his followers. Because we cannot see into a person's heart and know their motives and their intentions and wheher they made a conscious decision to reject God. No where in Catholic teaching will you see it said that non Christians go to Hell. Nowhere. We are specifically not allowed to say that because we simply don't know and it isn't our place to judge the state of another person's soul.
So much for all of that...I guess. Some catholics seem to be conflicted as to whether or not they believe in the contents of the catechism -and- their own minds. I blame this on the church. They've left the flock rudderless for centuries.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 11:18 am
(November 8, 2017 at 6:24 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: No not even Hitler or Stalin is as evil as a god who created hell or allows hell to exist or sends ANYONE their .Hell and by definition it creator or the person who permits it is evil.
But Hitler and Stalin did not create a paradise. Both failed miserably in even securing a high standards of living for all their citizens.
God created evil, but he also created good, and orders only with the good. He doesn't ask people to commit immoralities, he doesn't command with evil. Evil is a created possibility; but it's always caused by those creatures that choose it.
Human dictators only commit selfish evil, and really incapable of something "that good" like creating mercy or paradise.
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