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What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
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RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:18 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 8:32 am)Cyberman Wrote: Addendum:

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Except that atheists are responsible for the most atrocities, thereby making belief that a God does not exist absurd...

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Not atheists, socialists. Get it right.

(sorry, socialists are usually atheists too.)
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RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:20 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 12:46 pm)Captain Hook Wrote: Thanks for all the replies so far! I'm going to let this thread go for another day or so, and then pick one to respond to for my project. Much appreciated.

Oh, wow so you're not going to answer all the objections just one (and probably a straw man of one at that, knowing you lot). How intellectually cowardly of you.
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RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:27 pm
(February 22, 2018 at 8:48 pm)Captain Hook Wrote: Hi Friends 

I hope this is the right sub-forum. I'm currently in a Christian apologetics class, and I have been assigned a project. I need to find a non or "ex" Christian and ask them what the most significant intellectual issue they find in the Christian narrative. Would anyone be willing to help me out with this? 

You would simply state the most important issue that discredits Christianity as a rational position, whatever it might be, and then I will prepare a Christian response to whatever objection you raise and send it to you. You would then read it and send me back a short paragraph or so (or more) detailing your response to whatever I've written. If you are willing to do this, then either post your issue below or pm me. It would be much appreciated. 

Thanks!

I have never been presented with demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic to support the claim that any god exists, let alone the Christian god.

All the arguments for the existence of a god (Kalam, design, ontological, TAG) ALL have fatal flaws that show them to be fallacious.

I've got a shelf full of some of the most respected apologetics books ever printed, and they are all only convincing to those already convinced.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:31 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm)DLJ Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 2:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Why would one believe there are no consequences?

Why indeed.

The point being that there is a difference between 'not believing there are consequences' and 'believing there are no consequences'.

Either way you want to put it is fine by me, my question is why would one [believe there are no / not believe in] consequences?
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RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:33 pm
How about a dearth of convincing evidence that there are consequences?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:40 pm (This post was last modified: February 23, 2018 at 3:41 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(February 23, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Cyberman Wrote: How about a dearth of convincing evidence that there are consequences?

Since we are talking about being accountable to a higher power, would you define being unconvinced that there are consequences as atheism?
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RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:42 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 3:31 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm)DLJ Wrote: Why indeed.

The point being that there is a difference between 'not believing there are consequences' and 'believing there are no consequences'.

Either way you want to put it is fine by me, my question is why would one [believe there are no / not believe in] consequences?

Pass. Sociopathy, maybe, for the latter? Perhaps, 'not having thought about it', for the former?

Since either way is fine by you, could we please stick to the former (not believing) for atheism? Hence, no one would kill for a 'not belief'.

I'm glad that sorted once and for all.

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RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:53 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 3:42 pm)DLJ Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 3:31 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Either way you want to put it is fine by me, my question is why would one [believe there are no / not believe in] consequences?

Pass.  Sociopathy, maybe, for the latter?  Perhaps, 'not having thought about it', for the former?

Since either way is fine by you, could we please stick to the former (not believing) for atheism?  Hence, no one would kill for a 'not belief'.

I'm glad that sorted once and for all.

Cheers.

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When it comes down to killing people I would argue that either position could fall under sociopathy would you agree?
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RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:54 pm
(February 22, 2018 at 8:48 pm)Captain Hook Wrote: Hi Friends 

I hope this is the right sub-forum. I'm currently in a Christian apologetics class, and I have been assigned a project. I need to find a non or "ex" Christian and ask them what the most significant intellectual issue they find in the Christian narrative. Would anyone be willing to help me out with this? 

You would simply state the most important issue that discredits Christianity as a rational position, whatever it might be, and then I will prepare a Christian response to whatever objection you raise and send it to you. You would then read it and send me back a short paragraph or so (or more) detailing your response to whatever I've written. If you are willing to do this, then either post your issue below or pm me. It would be much appreciated. 

Thanks!

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RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 4:05 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 3:42 pm)DLJ Wrote: Pass.  Sociopathy, maybe, for the latter?  Perhaps, 'not having thought about it', for the former?

Since either way is fine by you, could we please stick to the former (not believing) for atheism?  Hence, no one would kill for a 'not belief'.

I'm glad that sorted once and for all.

Cheers.

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When it comes down to killing people I would argue that either position could fall under sociopathy would you agree?

I would not.
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