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1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
RE: 1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
(May 3, 2018 at 5:59 pm)SaStrike Wrote: In those types of panels they usually have like 1 person that is an "outsider" for various reasons. Wouldn't that add to the entertainment factor? My vote is that we add Minimalist to the panel but obviously up to your christian panel who the one non christian is. Maybe also give the non christian panel member less power in the debate like 1 post every 2 days, etc

It's not a "safe" space if an outsider is allowed.

Like religiousforums.com, they have specific areas that those who don't belong to the religion are not allowed to post in. They've specifically coded it that way, finally, because before that people were constantly getting into trouble trying to keep up with how the rules worked.

If it becomes enough of a problem like that here, either the same code will have to be implemented or the area removed.

We'll see, but I wouldn't mind giving it a shot.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: 1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
(May 3, 2018 at 6:00 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(May 3, 2018 at 5:51 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: The Christian members have a common language, "church-speak", and recognize a shared authority, Holy Scripture. While I value the insights and contributions of atheist members like Whateverist and theists like MK, I anticipate that Christian specific concepts like the Great Commission will figure prominently. I think of this more as a panel discussion focusing on the subtle points of agreement and disagreement between Christian AF members without the distraction of large worldview differences.

So for the rest of us it's basically like watching a Sitcom Big Grin

On this board sure, but outside your door globally, religion can get quite nasty and divisive and more than mere words.
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RE: 1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
(May 3, 2018 at 6:02 pm)Kit Wrote:
(May 3, 2018 at 5:59 pm)SaStrike Wrote: In those types of panels they usually have like 1 person that is an "outsider" for various reasons. Wouldn't that add to the entertainment factor? My vote is that we add Minimalist to the panel but obviously up to your christian panel who the one non christian is. Maybe also give the non christian panel member less power in the debate like 1 post every 2 days, etc

It's not a "safe" space if an outsider is allowed.

Like religiousforums.com, they have specific areas that those who don't belong to the religion are not allowed to post in. They've specifically coded it that way, finally, because before that people were constantly getting into trouble trying to keep up with how the rules worked.

If it becomes enough of a problem like that here, either the same code will have to be implemented or the area removed.

We'll see, but I wouldn't mind giving it a shot.

But this is not apartheid, it's just a discussion between the christians on AF about what their roles are. For the rest of us it's like watching a talk show. And I would prefer Minimalist to at least feature on the show. Why you think fox news gets an atheist to be interviewed by one of their anchormen every now and then? For the views.
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RE: 1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
I see no problem with them having their "safe space" to be honest. It's not as though they couldn't venture out and respond to us. When they do, you can still call them fools if you wish.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: 1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
(May 3, 2018 at 6:08 pm)SaStrike Wrote:
(May 3, 2018 at 6:02 pm)Kit Wrote: It's not a "safe" space if an outsider is allowed.

Like religiousforums.com, they have specific areas that those who don't belong to the religion are not allowed to post in. They've specifically coded it that way, finally, because before that people were constantly getting into trouble trying to keep up with how the rules worked.

If it becomes enough of a problem like that here, either the same code will have to be implemented or the area removed.

We'll see, but I wouldn't mind giving it a shot.

But this is not apartheid, it's just a discussion between the christians on AF about what their roles are. For the rest of us it's like watching a talk show. And I would prefer Minimalist to at least feature on the show. Why you think fox news gets an atheist to be interviewed by one of their anchormen every now and then? For the views.

From what I understand, the reason Neo set it up to be just us is so that it can be a more productive, higher quality discussion without the distraction/detraction of other posts, considering the subject topic. It isn't about "not wanting to get his feelings hurt" or needing a "safe space". Pretty much the same reason I suggested a civility subforum.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: 1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
I wish I hadn't ate all my popcorn. Can't afford to buy more until Tuesday. And I wanna watch the Christians Say The Darnest Things shitshow.

And it's not the same without popcorn.
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RE: 1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
(May 3, 2018 at 6:45 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(May 3, 2018 at 6:08 pm)SaStrike Wrote: But this is not apartheid, it's just a discussion between the christians on AF about what their roles are. For the rest of us it's like watching a talk show. And I would prefer Minimalist to at least feature on the show. Why you think fox news gets an atheist to be interviewed by one of their anchormen every now and then? For the views.

From what I understand, the reason Neo set it up to be just us is so that it can be a more productive, higher quality discussion without the distraction/detraction of other posts, considering the subject topic. It isn't about "not wanting to get his feelings hurt" or needing a "safe space". Pretty much the same reason I suggested a civility subforum.

I knew that eventually someone would compare this to a "safe space". I can see why except there is a difference. There is no attempt to shelter the participants from criticism. Anyone can read, observe, and if they so desire comment and critique the discussion on a parallel thread. I would encourage it. CL is correct. I am hoping for a deeper exploration by Christians as to why Christians in general should participate on AF and our individual reasons for doing so...warts and all.
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RE: 1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
(May 3, 2018 at 6:58 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(May 3, 2018 at 6:45 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: From what I understand, the reason Neo set it up to be just us is so that it can be a more productive, higher quality discussion without the distraction/detraction of other posts, considering the subject topic. It isn't about "not wanting to get his feelings hurt" or needing a "safe space". Pretty much the same reason I suggested a civility subforum.

I knew that eventually someone would compare this to a "safe space". I can see why except there is a difference. There is no attempt to shelter the participants from criticism. Anyone can read,  observe, and if they so desire comment and critique the discussion on a parallel thread. I would encourage it. CL is correct. I am hoping for a deeper exploration by Christians as to why Christians in general should participate on AF and our individual reasons for doing so...warts and all.

I guess we should have a peanut gallery for it or whatever the term is.

And yeah, it's not a safe space. As hilarious as I find it I think it's a good idea.
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RE: 1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
Why is it hilarious?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: 1st Call for Christian Only Debate: Our Role on AF
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