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Anyone here a Category 7?
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RE: Anyone here a Category 7?
August 21, 2018 at 8:54 pm
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2018 at 8:55 pm by Aegon.)
(August 21, 2018 at 9:46 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:(August 21, 2018 at 8:59 am)Aegon Wrote: I feel like I'm as positive as I can be that there is no god. That should br 7, not 6, no? The idea that "we can't know for sure" is giving in to one of religions' many logical exemptions. Would you really say the same about other things besides God? So you'd rank yourself as a 6 in regards to.... current existence of megladon sharks deep in the ocean, unicorns, the Loch Ness monster, etc? I haven't given much thought to this scale until now though. I'm probably wrong. (August 21, 2018 at 1:25 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:(August 21, 2018 at 1:08 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I consider myself a 5.3, by the way; years of brainwashing from my childhood is probably the reason why I am not a 6+. No, I.would say that I am a 6.9 (and counting) with respect to that god. (August 21, 2018 at 8:54 pm)Aegon Wrote:(August 21, 2018 at 9:46 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: I don't think it's a logical exemption. Nor is it "giving in." It's reasonable to approach unknowns with a skeptical attitude. Skepticism is neither denial nor belief, but suspension in between until solid evidence is provided. On this planet? Or in the whole of existence? (August 21, 2018 at 7:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: My point, exactly, Shell. There can be a "thor" planet and it still wouldn't make gods existent..just as there can be a "dragon" planet and this wouldn't make dragons existent.. I’m going to stop you there. That’s just wrong. If there’s a planet full of dragons, they exist. I mean, what? (August 21, 2018 at 8:24 pm)Fireball Wrote:(August 21, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I'd add, to the above, that the "you don't know, you can't know" objection works equally well with all of the gods people do rule out. You don't know whether or not there's a Zues planet. A Jesus Planet. A Thor planet. You can't. Sure, if I were arguing that gods exist, but we just can’t see them, which I’m not. I’m arguing that there could be something that’s a reasonable approximation, but that there’s still no reason to think that there is. In addition, none of the gods any human has ever described to my knowledge exist, and I feel certain of it. RE: Anyone here a Category 7?
August 22, 2018 at 1:32 am
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2018 at 1:33 am by robvalue.)
If I get to define "God" as some form of intelligence responsible for creating our environment, then I'd be a 4; except I wouldn't go so far as to say it's equally probable both ways. I just have no idea about probabilities either way. No data.
If "God" is some specific cartoon character, then I'm a 7 for all practical purposes, but I'm always open to the possibility of some bizarre cosmic coincidence. Basically, the more stuff you hang around god's neck, the closer I get to a 7. Feel free to send me a private message.
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August 22, 2018 at 4:29 am
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2018 at 4:32 am by ignoramus.)
My issue with the scale is the same issue with the holes in the straw argument. We need to define.
I think by human definition, a God cannot exist. We wrote them that way back then. If we began to write about gods today, we'd be a lot more technical and congruent in our description of them and their abilities. But 2-3 thousand years ago, woo was a thing and science was not. This is why the word "God" is completely loaded. Not different to eg: Medusa, Hercules, etc.. They're all story characters meant to possess "unbelievable" powers.
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Know God, Know fear. (August 22, 2018 at 1:32 am)robvalue Wrote: If I get to define "God" as some form of intelligence responsible for creating our environment, then I'd be a 4; except I wouldn't go so far as to say it's equally probable both ways. I just have no idea about probabilities either way. No data. And that's why the very concept of a god survives by being ambiguous and ill-defined. The god concept has literally evolved, with more specific ideas of gods dying out as we discover that they do not exist and the more nebulous ones more able to spread to other potential believers. RE: Anyone here a Category 7?
August 22, 2018 at 6:41 am
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2018 at 6:57 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 21, 2018 at 10:58 pm)Shell B Wrote:Sure..as I already mentioned, in the same way that komodo dragons already mean that dragons exist. Content equivalence is far more important than semantic similarity, in the manner that I address what I can or do know. It's the same example as my initial comments in thread. If someone is asking about bigfoot, no amount of pointing at a cat is ever going to change my mind about bigfoot.(August 21, 2018 at 7:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: My point, exactly, Shell. There can be a "thor" planet and it still wouldn't make gods existent..just as there can be a "dragon" planet and this wouldn't make dragons existent.. That they might think that cats are close enough doesn't affect my own appraisal. It's a puerile objection, imo, not a barrier to the availability of knowledge. But, since you stopped me there, wouldn't the thor planet mean that the gods you're certain don't exist...actually do exist? At least one, Thor. (August 22, 2018 at 12:49 am)Shell B Wrote: Sure, if I were arguing that gods exist, but we just can’t see them, which I’m not. I’m arguing that there could be something that’s a reasonable approximation, but that there’s still no reason to think that there is. In addition, none of the gods any human has ever described to my knowledge exist, and I feel certain of it.The wispy non god at the other end of the universe called-a-god is also a god described by human beings. It's still a cat, still not bigfoot. I feel the same certainty, for the same reasons..as you...I just don't have a special godbox. No one, in asking the question "do gods exist" is talking about some alien being hiding out in the far reaches of the universe. They're asking about that peculiar fiction endemic to human beings on this planet. If you're certain that those don't exist, your position is content equivalent to my own. There's really no need for caveats and qualifiers - imo. If, otoh, the dragon planet is compelling to you as a barrier to my knowledge, then shouldn't the thor planet be equally compelling as a barrier to your own? Repeat ad infinitum with a whole planet full of counter-examples for every other thing you feel certain of.
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