Trump's Base is Possibly Growing

[Yonadav]

Good, glad we've got that settled and everyone knows about the cuban contribution to the latino vote as a demographic inversion to national averages in a swing state with significant republican outreach going back decades.  


I think that the best d's can hope for is that the r's focus on the wrong states...which is pretty much any and every state aside from florida.  Their messaging appeals to a known demographic subset of latinos.  Nativist latinos, latinos with core republican values, and..yes, white adjacent latinos like floridian cubans.  Playing that in california, for example, will be a flop because their demographic subsets are directly inverse to those that the message has been shown to appeal to. 

The worst, is that the r's campaign is exactly as successful as the data would suggest, focused on those demographic subsets..and by extension a swing state.  R's are playing the electoral college game, they can't win the pop anymore.  Motivating nativists to the polls for maximum political impact is kindof their bread and butter.

I don't know if it will flop in California. Like I said, it might be that Hispanics aren't being pulled to Trump so much as being pushed there. The reaction to them drifting toward Trump in this discussion has been to vilify them with hostility toward their Catholic culture, hostile comments about them being 'white adjacent', and assertions that they have nativist tendencies. Nothing good was said about Hispanics and quite frankly it all seemed pretty racist.

So if libtards are pushing Hispanics away, then it won't be all that long before California turns Red. California turned blue for basically two reasons. One was massive immigration, largely Hispanic. They tended to vote Democrat. Secondly, California became a tech center giant and a lot of educated professionals moved there, drove up real estate prices, and drove out the former Republican occupants. Democrats moved into California and Republicans moved out.

So California has a lot of white, liberal, and affluent people who drove up real estate prices and displaced a lot of people, and created hardcore NIMBY enclaves. They are a minority of California's Democratic vote. And their children are the most likely to go around screaming about conservative Catholic culture and white adjacent privilege. Social Justice Warriors in California seem to be quite capable of pushing Latinos into the waiting arms of Republicans.

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I don't think there's a singular reason for this, stupidity, misinformation, us-vs-them mentality, attempt to be on the "winning" side..., but I think the most important contributing factor here is that, people who are oppressed will often seek a power figure who can enable them to become the oppressor for a change, and Trump is a great enabler in this case, he projects power and says the things people want to hear!

I don't know. It has become very popular for the libtards who invaded the left to make a lot of people on the left feel unwelcome there. Hell, the feminist movement used to advocate for the rights of all women. Now they only advocate for the rights of women who agree with them. White guys have to prove that they are not racists by constantly attacking other white guys, frequently pushing left leaning liberal white guys under the bus. How many times can a white guy who is working at a gas station be pointlessly called a racist before he goes over to the Republicans simply because his former party has become so hostile toward him? How many times can a Latino be pointlessly criticized for their Catholic heritage and their white adjacent privilege before they go over to the Republicans simply to get away from the hostility in their former party?

You did notice that nothing good was said about Hispanics in this discussion, right? If I were Hispanic, I certainly wouldn't feel welcome among libtards. I'm a white guy and I don't feel welcome because I refuse to constantly put other white guys down. I'm inherently on the left for real instead of being a social justice warrior fraud, so I can't go over to the Republicans. Libtards are doing far more harm than good to the left's cause. I think that they are pissing people off so bad that California is going to turn Red within a few more election cycles. They're shitting on Hispanics, and that is stupid beyond belief.

[The Grand Nudger]

The numbers are directly inverse (both within subsets in florida) and between california and florida as macrocosmic examples of the subset.  Latinos with non-mexican heritage broke over 50% for trump whereas latinos with mexican heritage skewed to the average of the overall demographic.  25/75ish.

You can keep babbling about how this is "libtards" pushing hispanics away, if you like.... but it simply isn't.  It is very transparently a case of a demographic subset that has -always- swung rightward becoming larger.  Latinos who are native born, male, or non-mexican.....as immigration rates have been systematically curbed.

The funhouse mirror nonsense where you place "libtards" as the party shitting on mexicans is absurd and you know it. At least try to maintain the credibility of your persona. 0/10

[Yonadav]

The numbers are directly inverse (both within subsets in florida) and between california and florida as macrocosmic examples of the subset.  Latinos with non-mexican heritage broke over 50% for trump whereas latinos with mexican heritage skewed to the average of the demographic.  25/75ish.

You can keep babbling about how this is "libtards" pushing hispanics away, if you like.... but it simply isn't.  It is very transparently a case of a demographic subset that has -always- swung rightward becoming larger.  Latinos who are native born, male, or non-mexican.....as immigration rates have been systematically curbed.

OK, you keep talking about Latinos in Florida who are largely non-Mexican. Yep, those Cubans vote Republican. That's been well established for awhile.
And then you try to argue that Hispanics naturally swing rightward over time. 
Even if that were true (and I am skeptical that it is), we aren't talking about a shift that is gradually happening over time. (And if you are right, California is doomed)
We are talking about a shift that is happening suddenly. And it is happening during a time when libtards are going around being overtly hostile to anyone who disagrees with them about the slightest thing, ever.
Further, this discussion has been sort of a proof of concept. Nothing good has been said about Hispanics. They were accused of white adjacent privilege. They were accused of nativism. They were attacked for having Catholic heritage. That looks like racism to me. And while I was pointing all of this out, I was called the syphilitic dripping of a Jewish gang bang. You know, just in case it wasn't clear that a shit ton of racist fuckery is going on here.
Libtards have a culture of intense bigotry. California is going to turn red in a few years, and it's you guys who are going to make that happen.

[The Grand Nudger]

Concern trolling is precious.

Latino voters with core republican values will, ofc, vote for a republican candidate - as that demographic always has.  Fine people on both sides, holding their noses, and all that.  The GOP, however, abandoned their outreach to this subset...slowly in a trickle over the obama years, and completely as trumpian nativism subsumed core republican values. 

It is a fact that trumpian nativism plays better in demographics that have previously shown susceptibility to nativist propaganda - just as it's a fact that specific subsets within the hispanic demographic invest political and cultural energy into being white adjacent. This is pointing out the effects of racism. It is, similarly, a fact that communities with a strong catholic representation are more likely to support a specific plank of the gop..or that the democratic platform in this regard turns them off. Abortion bad, gay bad, cuz jesus.... got it?

The abortion bad gay bad core republican values camp has never been, nor is it being pushed out of the democratic fold. They are part of the republican base. The trumpian nativists will never...ever...vote for immigrant loving communists™, and that's no coincidence..when you look at the distribution of political opinions an ethnic fault lines by subset. The hispanic vote is not homogenous, or an entitled portion of the democratic plantation (lol).

More obliquely, the reason that rightwing trolls are generaly bad at culture warring is because hey have no fucking clue what they're talking about. This and that and the other thing -always- looks like racism to them..even as racism doesn't look like racism to them.

[Yonadav]

Concern trolling is precious.

Latino voters with core republican values will, ofc, vote for a republican candidate - as that demographic always has.  Fine people on both sides, holding their noses, and all that.  The GOP, however, abandoned their outreach to this subset...slowly in a trickle over the obama years, and completely as trumpian nativism subsumed core republican values. 

It is a fact that trumpian nativism plays better in demographics that have previously shown susceptibility to nativist propaganda - just as it's a fact that specific subsets within the hispanic demographic invest political and cultural energy into being white adjacent.  This is pointing out the effects of racism.  It is, similarly, a fact that communities with a strong catholic representation are more likely to support a specific plank of the gop..or that the democratic platform in this regard turns them off.  Abortion bad, gay bad, cuz jesus.... got it?

The abortion bad gay bad core republican values camp has never been, nor is it being pushed out of the democratic fold.  They are part of the republican base.  The trumpian nativists will never...ever...vote for immigrant loving communists™, and that's no coincidence..when you look at the distribution of political opinions an ethnic fault lines by subset.  The hispanic vote is not homogenous, or an entitled portion of the democratic plantation (lol).

More obliquely, the reason that rightwing trolls are generaly bad at culture warring is because hey have no fucking clue what they're talking about.  This and that and the other thing -always- looks like racism to them..even as racism doesn't look like racism to them.

 
Uh huh. I think that you look at this too much through the lens of social issues. That's typical libtard bullshit. A woman who doesn't support unregulated late term abortion isn't really a feminist kind of bullshit. A Latino who is the slightest bit conservative about any social values is a Trumpanzee bullshit. You libtards insist that everyone must be just as hung up on single issues as you are. A person can say that they agree with everything about the libtard agenda except for one, and that person is a Trump supporting Nazi. You really believe that a Latino who has some reservations about abortion and gay rights, but prefers the Democrats economics policies is fair game for ridicule, and you would literally encourage them to vote for Trump. That's the way you guys are.

I really think that Hispanics are being turned off by the toxic culture that you guys create.

[The Grand Nudger]

You keep confusing me for a dem, lol.

All of your batshit complaints considered...none of them are relevant..because the article surrounds an attempt to court a demographic that explicitly and historically has responded to the themes of trumpian nativism. It has absolutely nothing to do with your libtard fetish and everything to do with motivating an already ideologically committed bloc of voters to the polls. They're not going to win over california with that messaging. They're looking to swing states with significant non-mexican native born hispanic voters who identify with core republican issues like abortion and the nature of welfare, and who, directly..... fucking loathe socialism.

It's beyond ridiculous that I have to explain any of this to you. Fucking with mexicans at the border doesn't sit well with mexicans north of the border. Carribean and central american hispanics think it's kosher by comparison, for a wide variety of reasons, some of them entirely less than flattering -like any other demographic or demographic subset.

[Yonadav]

You keep confusing me for a dem, lol.

All of your batshit complaints considered...none of them are relevant..because the article surrounds an attempt to court a demographic that explicitly and historically has responded to the themes of trumpian nativism. It has absolutely nothing to do with your libtard fetish and everything to do with motivating an already ideologically committed bloc of voters to the polls.

I haven't confused you for a Dem. I don't know why you keep saying that. You've toed the libtard line on every single issue imaginable. You're just a libtard.

Hispanics have not explicitly and historically responded to themes of Trumpian nativism. You just keep saying that they have. Probably because you're a racist. Hispanics haven't supported Trump or his nativism. The Cubans have. But in general, Hispanics haven't. A minority supported Trump. Their support for Trump is growing.
 
You keep trying to pretend that they've always been this way (because you're a racist), and you keep denying that the possible recent swell of support among them is something that just now happened for unexplained reasons. All of your explanations have been racist-- their Catholic heritage, they're white adjacent privilege, their alleged nativism (which you constantly trot out anti-communist Cubans in support of).

But this discussion has been proof of hostility toward Hispanics by libtards. Given that Trump insults Latinos on a daily basis, it seems unlikely that they are pulled toward him. They are being pushed toward him. Likely suspects? Libtards. Libtards are just too stupid to know any better.

And you'll keep blathering about how I don't understand how nativist Hispanics are.  And I will be like, "How quaint. A racist generalization about how racist Hispanics naturally are."

[The Grand Nudger]

We've abandoned any pretense of this thread having ever been about factual trends in political allegiance within the broader hispanic demographic.  

Bitch to a wall about all the things you hate about progressives as you blame the centrists for the failure of the democratic party and how frustrated you are with any increased racial awareness.  You didn't really think this part of the bit through, it seems. "Libtards" aren't driving republican voters into the arms of republicans, lol. The fact that they're republican voters, as their demographic has been for some time, is doing that.

[Yonadav]

We've abandoned any pretense of this thread having ever been about factual trends in political allegiance within the broader hispanic demographic.  

Bitch to a wall about all the things you hate about progressives as you blame the centrists for the failure of the democratic party and how frustrated you are with any increased racial awareness.  You didn't really think this part of the bit through, it seems.  "Libtards" aren't driving republican voters into the arms of republicans, lol.  The fact that they're republican voters, as their demographic has been for some time, is doing that.

I don't hate anything about progressives. Every progressive hates fucking libtards. Libtards are the idiots who overran progressive politics. You aren't progressive. A libtard is pretty much everything that they claim to hate.

[The Grand Nudger]

If you say so.  It is nevertheless a fact that republican voters aren't being driven out of a party they were never in.