God's Love

[Johanabrahams]

Well, since johan the loon raise the topic, here is the thread he references.

https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=28142

Be warned, it contains reference to his child abuse.

Amusingly, he accuses me of "running away" which is rather difficult given that I am not a member of that site. And by then he was banned on ISF and SGU so there was nothing to respond to or run away from.

But that does not prevent Johan having these wild fantasies.

Alas, like the proverbial bad penny, he turned up on another site I frequent.

I have to say, my response when he rocked up here was "Not this shite again".

This rodeo, I will not invest the same level of time and research. His victims have suffered enough without me opening old wounds.

I think that is in part his motivation. To vicariously solicit further harassment for his victims. He cannot do it himself due to court judgments, so he seeks to get others to do so.

Well, just no. I have sufficient information to know that he is a wingnut and a violent one at that. I have no desire to inflict further pain on his victims.

Well, since johan the loon raise the topic, here is the thread he references.

https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=28142

Good.  Take specially note of my actions in Die Herberg.  At pages 18 and 19.   It was speaking and acting against the child abuse that was from the side of the Authorities.  And then you will also notice in the last post on page  27 someone that really did a lot of research on me admitted that there was no violence from my side.  And it will be very unlikely for me to be caught in that. 

But Abaddon said I was violently beating up the people with a "cudgel".

Be warned, it contains reference to his child abuse.

Strange you don't say child abuse from my side?  Seems you are quiet on that issue.  And also no links to my violence?  Just Halleyscomet saying on the last page (27) that is very "unlikely"?

Amusingly, he accuses me of "running away" which is rather difficult given that I am not a member of that site. And by then he was banned on ISF and SGU so there was nothing to respond to or run away from.

You didn't respond to my evidence on my assault from the pastor in SGU.  The post on the "Fake court orders".  You were present then.  Why not?  

But that does not prevent Johan having these wild fantasies.

Show me.

Alas, like the proverbial bad penny, he turned up on another site I frequent.

I have to say, my response when he rocked up here was "Not this shite again".

Because you know you messed up?

This rodeo, I will not invest the same level of time and research. His victims have suffered enough without me opening old wounds.

Why are they suffering?  And still suffering.  Because i am beating them up with a "cudgel"? For already 20 years now?

I think that is in part his motivation. To vicariously solicit further harassment for his victims. He cannot do it himself due to court judgments, so he seeks to get others to do so.

And here you admit it.   I can not do anything.  And I am also doing "nothing".  Because if I do I will immediately put away. 

But you said I was beating them up with a "cudgel".  So why their suffering that no court order can stop?  If I am actually obeying the court orders and doing "nothing"?  

Well, just no. I have sufficient information to know that he is a wingnut and a violent one at that.

And from whose side is the "violence" caused by "anger"?

I have no desire to inflict further pain on his victims.

You have the ability to inflict pain? How did you work this one out?

[no one]

It seems johan graduated from Vizzini's school of dizzying intellect.

[The Grand Nudger]

Looks like a language barrier is an insurmountable barrier...for a god.

Some fucking god.

[Johanabrahams]

I'm starting from the beginning because you failed to. Provide evidence for your deity. Once you've established its existence we can debate its attitude toward our silly little species.

Sure. That has been his challenge on every site he has infected. And he has failed to do so at every turn. He is so utterly disgusting that even christian webs ban him on sight because he is so toxic. Christian websites. Links if you wish, but I doubt those are needed at this point. He has revealed his nature quite well here.

In any event, this site got kudos elsewhere since nobody bought his BS. That is a credit to this site and it's members. Most of them.

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I'm starting from the beginning because you failed to. Provide evidence for your deity. Once you've established its existence we can debate its attitude toward our silly little species.

Sure. That has been his challenge on every site he has infected. And he has failed to do so at every turn. He is so utterly disgusting that even christian webs ban him on sight because he is so toxic. Christian websites. Links if you wish, but I doubt those are needed at this point. He has revealed his nature quite well here.

In any event, this site got kudos elsewhere since nobody bought his BS. That is a credit to this site and it's members. Most of them.

Sure. That has been his challenge on every site he has infected.

You think I have some Power?  How?

And he has failed to do so at every turn

Everyone has his opinions.  But they mostly differ.  And then many lies about them too.  

He is so utterly disgusting that even christian webs ban him on sight because he is so toxic.

So what is actually the origin of my poison and "disgust"?

Christian websites. Links if you wish, but I doubt those are needed at this point. He has revealed his nature quite well here.

And what might that be?

In any event, this site got kudos elsewhere since nobody bought his BS. That is a credit to this site and it's members. Most of them.

Everyone has his opinions.  And many lies about them.   Seems you had to change many of yours too?  Seems like a blow to your ego.  And you thought I was giving the "blows".   With a "cudgel".  Ruling a whole town with fear with only a "cudgel".  For 20 years now.  With court orders against me.  And they are all in pain.  Because of my "cudgel".  

But I did warn you about your "sacrosanct" that was actually "backbiting".  

So how does it feel to have been taken for a ride?   By "pastors".   They are the "good people" you said.  Your big "friends".

[The Grand Nudger]

Why are you and your pornographic god still here? The lady said no.

[LadyForCamus]

He just a boring troll who can’t even come up with new material when he gets booted to the next forum.

It is because of the inferior human existence in intellect.  The intellect is always looking for something new.  No wonder it can not keep Relationships going for long.  But on the other hand Love expressed in the same words ("I love you") are always new. 

You were on the doorstep and you turned around?  The perfectly giving of oneself to each other is the Highest Existence possible.  It is the Godly Existence.  Where you are saved from your dead Adam life.  And decided to be the one God desires.  Both having died for each other creates the Highest Love possible.  Human existence in family life is only a shadow of the True Family existence.  Where children are forced into a child and parent relationships in human families vs God's Family where it is actually chosen.  

And that mean of course that it can be rejected too.

[Abaddon_ire]

I had to translate the court documents. It was not fun.

Good.   You did your part well.  So then you should know that the only assault mentioned there was from someone that "slapped" me.  Actually he came in with his fist whirring.  Seems he had some training in fighting too.  Because one landed on my throat.  Was sore for a long time.  And when authority cornered him he changed it to a "slap". 

But the important about the situation was my reactions.  Just like in any other of the 38 assaults against me that year.  Just turning the other cheek. 

And you put the "cudgel" in my hands?  the anger evil spirit that were blown up by those into "backbiting".  Totally blinded you.  You didn't even see that my actions were never described there.  Only the "feelings" of those fighting against me.  And my actions and words were "cleverly" hidden. 

Because they were too much revealing of the real culprits. 

But of course you also read "Nicky"s studies of the court orders and the conclusions there.  Where we arrived at my actual actions and words inside of Die Herberg that made them "ban" me with court orders. 

They were covering up their own disgrace.  Because if it was revealed they would most probably have lost their jobs.  Fear of being "jobless" is a real "killer".  God them all "sick to death".

Lies.

When are you going to tell us all about this "crisis" you think I am having? 

You really are running away from that like the coward you truly are.

[Nay_Sayer]

Looks like a language barrier is an insurmountable barrier...for a god.

Some fucking god.

Considering the language used by Johan is comparable to the wingdings font, It's a tall order indeed.

However, using google translate this phrase should be helpful; U maak nooit sin nine (You never make sense)

[Johanabrahams]

It was for You.

God is Holy to us.  This mean that there is nothing in His Life to which we take second place.  We are His everything.  

As His Wife I also had to be the same.  So God used a persecution to take away my wife and kids and family and friends and even my whole nation in Robertson.   He took my job as Reverend in the Dutch Reformed Church and my money.  When I left Robertson because nobody wanted me there I went to Nkqubela.  The black township on the outskirts.  Created in the Apartheid's regime. There I had to sell everything I had and buy food and clothes for the poor.  The widows and orphans.    

Mat. 19
 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
 23 ¶Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.


I thought I had nothing then.  Then God said to give my body.  I had to start serving them with my body.  Working for free.  I could do it because i had no life left to support.  I only needed food.  I reached my death.

Gal. 2
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The same happened with Paul.  

1 Cor. 4
9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
 10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
 11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
 12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
 13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
 14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
 17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

And Paul was also a man that had a "good" human life.

Phil. 3
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

When God takes a Wife that Wife has to be holy like He is.  There can be no family in Her Life.

Luke 14
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Because we Love this "hatred" is strange.  But God does it by a persecution.

Mat. 10
 21  And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
 22  And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

And in that persecution we learn to hate everything of human life.  Not the person.  The person we Love.   But what constitutes of the person.  The intellectual life of the person that can force the person to act so contrary to Love.  So we die totally to human life.  This is necessary to really find Love.  Love for our enemies too.  

Mat. 5
44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
 46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
 47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
 48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

And now God has created for Himself a Wife.  Who is Holy as He is holy.  There is nothing left anymore to which His Children will take second place in Her Life as the Mother to His Children.   They are now both Holy.  Their Children come first in their Lives.  Their Children is everything to them.  They are the Perfect Parents.   

If there was still anything left in my Life you would have taken second place to it.  As it is now you are first.  In this I find my Life.  Spiritual Existence with God.  I have a Marriage.  The best there is.  With Him.  And I have a Family and many Kids.  For which I died as a man with a "good human existence" to be now their Spiritual Mother.  And they die to be our Son we desires for them to be.  The best there is.  Jesus Christ.  They give birth tot the Perfect Child.  Who finds the same sacrifice too.  As the Parents died for the Child so the Child has to die for the Parents.  In this the Perfect Family Bonds of Love is found.  The Perfect Love story.  Where the Father died first for His Family.  And the Mother also died for Her Family.  And the Child died for its Family.  And the Perfect Family Manifests in God"s Love through the Ultimate action.  

A cross for all.  

Gal. 4
19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you.

[possibletarian]

It was for You.

God is Holy to us.  This mean that there is nothing in His Life to which we take second place.  We are His everything.  

As His Wife I also had to be the same.  So God used a persecution to take away my wife and kids and family and friends and even my whole nation in Robertson.   He took my job as Reverend in the Dutch Reformed Church and my money.  When I left Robertson because nobody wanted me there I went to Nkqubela.  The black township on the outskirts.  Created in the Apartheid's regime. There I had to sell everything I had and buy food and clothes for the poor.  The widows and orphans.    

Mat. 19
 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
 23 ¶Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.


I thought I had nothing then.  Then God said to give my body.  I had to start serving them with my body.  Working for free.  I could do it because i had no life left to support.  I only needed food.  I reached my death.

Gal. 2
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The same happened with Paul.  

1 Cor. 4
9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
 10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
 11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
 12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
 13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
 14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
 17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

And Paul was also a man that had a "good" human life.

Phil. 3
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

When God takes a Wife that Wife has to be holy like He is.  There can be no family in Her Life.

Luke 14
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Because we Love this "hatred" is strange.  But God does it by a persecution.  By all.

Mat. 10
 21  And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
 22  And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

And in that persecution we learn to hate everything of human life.  Not the person.  The person we Love.   But what constitutes of the person.  The intellectual life of the person that can force the person to act so contrary to Love.  So we die totally to human life.  This is necessary to really find Love.  Love for our enemies too.  

Mat. 5
44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
 46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
 47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
 48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

And now God has created for Himself a Wife.  Who is Holy as He is holy.  There is nothing left anymore to which His Children will take second place in Her Life as the Mother to His Children.   They are now both Holy.  Their Children come first in their Lives of Holiness.  

If there was still anything left in my Life you would have taken second place to it.  As it is now you are first.  In this I find my Life.  Spiritual Existence with God.  I have a Marriage.  The best there is.  With Him.  And I have a Family and many Kids.  For which I died as a man with a "good human existence" to be now their Spiritual Mother.  And they die to be our Son we desires for them to be.  The best there is.  Jesus Christ.

Gal. 4
19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you.

Nice bible quotes that those 'inferior human intellects' wrote