With UAE deal, Israel opens tentative new chapter with Gulf Arabs

[The Valkyrie]

But modern Palestinians are NOT native to the area. There’s really no such thing as a ‘Palestinian native’, but the closest you’re going to get to it are the Israelis.

I explained this earlier, and you agreed with it then. What changed?

Boru

I didn't agree to what you say now ! never.
I agreed that the Israelittes are a tribe of the Canaanites. But so as the native Palestinians who most of them converted to Islam already !

So it's an inner Canaanites fighting each other; a faction is zionist and the other is Muslim.
Muslims Canaanites want my help as the Zionist Canaanites have the west's help.

Then let's all sit back, stop giving support, and let them work it out.

But neither side will.

Why?

Ideology.

[The Grand Nudger]

So it's an inner Canaanites fighting each other; a faction is zionist and the other is Muslim.
Muslims Canaanites want my help as the Zionist Canaanites have the west's help.

Sounds like the muslim canaanites are fucked.

[Anomalocaris]

You can't erase ideologies, but you can target their popularity, the same way Nazism was targeted. By exposing the true devastating aftermath of such ideology people will leave it one by one. Zionists controlled Palestine for decades now but what did they give humanity other than wars and death ?

They gave humanity a state in formerly Islamic land that shows Muslims how prosperous and advanced even fairly corrupt and regimentized state can be when it is shorn of Islam.     But besotted by Islam as muslims are, they are blind to it.

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But modern Palestinians are NOT native to the area. There’s really no such thing as a ‘Palestinian native’, but the closest you’re going to get to it are the Israelis.

I explained this earlier, and you agreed with it then. What changed?

Boru

I didn't agree to what you say now ! never.
I agreed that the Israelittes are a tribe of the Canaanites. But so as the native Palestinians who most of them converted to Islam already !

So it's an inner Canaanites fighting each other; a faction is zionist and the other is Muslim.
Muslims Canaanites want my help as the Zionist Canaanites have the west's help.

The never is rather strong evidence that you are an unthinking atavistic moron.

Any semi-intelligent human being would always stand ready to abandon even his most cherished and fervent belief, should Sufficient new evidence that contradicts these beliefs come to light.

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If history repeats, some terrorist act will derail this.

Maybe not. It’s only a terrorist act if a Palestinian throw a rock. If Israel responds with a missile barrage, it’s called ‘national defense’.

Boru

Israel will need an excuse to restart West Bank settlement.   That will probably derail this.

This is almost certainly nothing more than an utterly cynical Collusion between Netanyahu and Trump, or trump’s son in law, to help Trump on election eve.    Once election is over, whether the ploy succeeded or not, excuse will be found for the West Bank settlement to resume.

That Israel will permanently abandon its cherished dream of regional aggrandizement and defensive depth sufficient for ages, for the sake of good relationships with a mere distant minor gulf sheikdom, is so ridiculous as to be utterly laughable.

When Egypt was relatively powerful and could have regained the backing of the USSR, And Uniting yo defeat Israel was still a more effective and credible rallying cry in the Arab world, detaching Egypt form any possible Arab alliance against Israel would have been worth Israel putting on a more sustained show of abandoning its pursuit of the recovery of all territory deemed to have been part of ancient Israel. 

Now Israel is relatively much stronger, and every Arab state much weaker And Arab world much more divided, and Uniting a menifest pipe dream  and defeating Israel clearly no longer a credible goal,  there is not a single Arab state with whom good relations Would be worth any lengthY postponement of Israel’s dream of geographic defensive sufficiency.

This is why Israel has no real incentive to seriously halt its settlement plans For any length of time.

[WinterHold]

I didn't agree to what you say now ! never.
I agreed that the Israelittes are a tribe of the Canaanites. But so as the native Palestinians who most of them converted to Islam already !

So it's an inner Canaanites fighting each other; a faction is zionist and the other is Muslim.
Muslims Canaanites want my help as the Zionist Canaanites have the west's help.

Then let's all sit back, stop giving support, and let them work it out.

But neither side will.

Why?

Ideology.

We wish. But Britain and the west invaded along with Zionists.
You admit that the west brought Zionist gangs and supported them with weapons and technology after WW1.
You admit that, it's history, it's a crime against humanity. And the Muslim Canaanites are our brothers and sisters. The Jewish European Canaanites invaders will be fought.

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You can't erase ideologies, but you can target their popularity, the same way Nazism was targeted. By exposing the true devastating aftermath of such ideology people will leave it one by one. Zionists controlled Palestine for decades now but what did they give humanity other than wars and death ?

They gave humanity a state in formerly Islamic land that shows Muslims how prosperous and advanced even fairly corrupt and regimentized state can be when it is shorn of Islam.     But besotted by Islam as muslims are, they are blind to it.

---

I didn't agree to what you say now ! never.
I agreed that the Israelittes are a tribe of the Canaanites. But so as the native Palestinians who most of them converted to Islam already !

So it's an inner Canaanites fighting each other; a faction is zionist and the other is Muslim.
Muslims Canaanites want my help as the Zionist Canaanites have the west's help.

The never is rather strong evidence that you are an unthinking atavistic moron.

Any semi-intelligent human being would always stand ready to abandon even his most cherished and fervent belief, should Sufficient new evidence that contradicts these beliefs come to light.

---

Maybe not. It’s only a terrorist act if a Palestinian throw a rock. If Israel responds with a missile barrage, it’s called ‘national defense’.

Boru

Israel will need an excuse to restart West Bank settlement.   That will probably derail this.

This is almost certainly nothing more than an utterly cynical Collusion between Netanyahu and Trump, or trump’s son in law, to help Trump on election eve.    Once election is over, whether the ploy succeeded or not, excuse will be found for the West Bank settlement to resume.

That Israel will permanently abandon its cherished dream of regional aggrandizement and defensive depth sufficient for ages, for the sake of good relationships with a mere distant minor gulf sheikdom, is so ridiculous as to be utterly laughable.

When Egypt was relatively powerful and could have regained the backing of the USSR, And Uniting yo defeat Israel was still a more effective and credible rallying cry in the Arab world, detaching Egypt form any possible Arab alliance against Israel would have been worth Israel putting on a more sustained show of abandoning its pursuit of the recovery of all territory deemed to have been part of ancient Israel. 

Now Israel is relatively much stronger, and every Arab state much weaker And Arab world much more divided, and Uniting a menifest pipe dream  and defeating Israel clearly no longer a credible goal,  there is not a single Arab state with whom good relations Would be worth any lengthY postponement of Israel’s dream of geographic defensive sufficiency.

This is why Israel has no real incentive to seriously halt its settlement plans For any length of time.

No. You only say that because Muslims are the weaker side today. But the darkness will go tomorrow just like the darkness of Europe went away. This is life.

Power is in their side, but how long do you bet that it shall last? they didn't even complete 100 years in the region, and with all the technology they have Canaanite Muslim children with rocks stir fear to the core in their hearts.

Soon, just wait.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

No. You only say that because Muslims are the weaker side today. But the darkness will go tomorrow just like the darkness of Europe went away. This is life.

Power is in their side, but how long do you bet that it shall last? they didn't even complete 100 years in the region, and with all the technology they have Canaanite Muslim children with rocks stir fear to the core in their hearts.

Soon, just wait.

It isn’t primarily about material. Muslim nations also get a tremendous amount of hardware and training from foreign countries. It’s simply that the Israelis want it more.

Look at the humiliation of the Six Day War - Israel was massively outmanned and outgunned, but they fought with the tenacity of a cornered badger who’s had just about enough of this shit.

The Muslim world will never militarily defeat Israel, so it’s probably best to seek non-military solutions. And you may as well forget about the eviction of Jews from Israel. Ain’t happening.

Boru

[Deesse23]

The Muslim world will never militarily defeat Israel, so it’s probably best to seek non-military solutions. And you may as well forget about the eviction of Jews from Israel. Ain’t happening.

Boru

...and Israel cant possibly be permanently at war with the people surrounding it (or within its borders), since they surely wont move away as well.

Call me naive, but i like to compare it with the franco german relations (although the differences werent as fundamental as they are with the conflict over there). The vicious clycle has to be broken. After so long it doesnt matter "who started it" (thats why i think Atlass is fundamentally wrong by trying to look for a solution based on answering this question). It can be done, it must be done.

9 million Israelis wont leave their spot, unless you are going to engage in (yet another) genocide or will commit to mass deportation un a scale unseen for a long time, and neither will the palestinians and everyone around.
If these people wont find a modus vivendi, they will be stuck in what they have now. Of course external powers are trying to take advantage, but *the west* or Russia or whoever is not responsible for the underlying extremism on both sides, mostly religiously motivated. Lets not pretend that anyone else but the people directly involved and their underlying fundamental (and fundamentalist) positions are in the end the root cause of this shit show.

And now go ahead and call me anti muslim or antisemite. Im out of fucks to give for quite some time.

[The Grand Nudger]

We can bicker about who or how the ship was sunk, but there are two people in a lifeboat together now, with common interest. Whether they want to genuinely accept their current situation, or saw the lifeboat in half, is entirely up to them. Interested parties and powers will involve themselves in anything that they choose to do.

If they decided to squash their beef tomorrow and become a single state, The Great Western Satan would be there for that. If they went full two state, The Great Western Satan would be there for that.

[WinterHold]

No. You only say that because Muslims are the weaker side today. But the darkness will go tomorrow just like the darkness of Europe went away. This is life.

Power is in their side, but how long do you bet that it shall last? they didn't even complete 100 years in the region, and with all the technology they have Canaanite Muslim children with rocks stir fear to the core in their hearts.

Soon, just wait.

It isn’t primarily about material. Muslim nations also get a tremendous amount of hardware and training from foreign countries. It’s simply that the Israelis want it more.

Look at the humiliation of the Six Day War - Israel was massively outmanned and outgunned, but they fought with the tenacity of a cornered badger who’s had just about enough of this shit.

The Muslim world will never militarily defeat Israel, so it’s probably best to seek non-military solutions. And you may as well forget about the eviction of Jews from Israel. Ain’t happening.

Boru

Interesting, so even though Arabs went to battle under the label "Arabs" you insist on forging the memory and call them "Muslims" ?

Very interesting.
Israel fought "Arabs"; they didn't fight "Muslims". They fought weak hated dictatorships installed by Britain and the west.

Muslims didn't fight Zionist proxies to this day. But believe me Zionist supporters are trying their best for that war to delay and never come, because they know its conclusion already.

Just wait for it. It will come.

[The Valkyrie]

Then let's all sit back, stop giving support, and let them work it out.

But neither side will.

Why?

Ideology.

We wish. But Britain and the west invaded along with Zionists.
You admit that the west brought Zionist gangs and supported them with weapons and technology after WW1.
You admit that, it's history, it's a crime against humanity. And the Muslim Canaanites are our brothers and sisters. The Jewish European Canaanites invaders will be fought.

---

They gave humanity a state in formerly Islamic land that shows Muslims how prosperous and advanced even fairly corrupt and regimentized state can be when it is shorn of Islam.     But besotted by Islam as muslims are, they are blind to it.

---

The never is rather strong evidence that you are an unthinking atavistic moron.

Any semi-intelligent human being would always stand ready to abandon even his most cherished and fervent belief, should Sufficient new evidence that contradicts these beliefs come to light.

---

Israel will need an excuse to restart West Bank settlement.   That will probably derail this.

This is almost certainly nothing more than an utterly cynical Collusion between Netanyahu and Trump, or trump’s son in law, to help Trump on election eve.    Once election is over, whether the ploy succeeded or not, excuse will be found for the West Bank settlement to resume.

That Israel will permanently abandon its cherished dream of regional aggrandizement and defensive depth sufficient for ages, for the sake of good relationships with a mere distant minor gulf sheikdom, is so ridiculous as to be utterly laughable.

When Egypt was relatively powerful and could have regained the backing of the USSR, And Uniting yo defeat Israel was still a more effective and credible rallying cry in the Arab world, detaching Egypt form any possible Arab alliance against Israel would have been worth Israel putting on a more sustained show of abandoning its pursuit of the recovery of all territory deemed to have been part of ancient Israel. 

Now Israel is relatively much stronger, and every Arab state much weaker And Arab world much more divided, and Uniting a menifest pipe dream  and defeating Israel clearly no longer a credible goal,  there is not a single Arab state with whom good relations Would be worth any lengthY postponement of Israel’s dream of geographic defensive sufficiency.

This is why Israel has no real incentive to seriously halt its settlement plans For any length of time.

No. You only say that because Muslims are the weaker side today. But the darkness will go tomorrow just like the darkness of Europe went away. This is life.

Power is in their side, but how long do you bet that it shall last? they didn't even complete 100 years in the region, and with all the technology they have Canaanite Muslim children with rocks stir fear to the core in their hearts.

Soon, just wait.

I'm looking to say where I admitted anything.

[WinterHold]

We wish. But Britain and the west invaded along with Zionists.
You admit that the west brought Zionist gangs and supported them with weapons and technology after WW1.
You admit that, it's history, it's a crime against humanity. And the Muslim Canaanites are our brothers and sisters. The Jewish European Canaanites invaders will be fought.

---

No. You only say that because Muslims are the weaker side today. But the darkness will go tomorrow just like the darkness of Europe went away. This is life.

Power is in their side, but how long do you bet that it shall last? they didn't even complete 100 years in the region, and with all the technology they have Canaanite Muslim children with rocks stir fear to the core in their hearts.

Soon, just wait.

I'm looking to say where I admitted anything.

It's recorded history, Zionists didn't come to the Middle East by themselves, they came with the British invasion of the region.