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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 11, 2012 at 11:52 am
(January 31, 2012 at 6:28 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I think that's how one of them was trying to justify slavery in the bible here not too long ago.
Hi DT. I'm new here so missed that particular thread. Do you recall the title?
I've always been mystified why Christians are generally against slavery now (except in Texas maybe) when the bible is so clearly pro slavery - especially if the female slave is still pleasing you - or whatever the words are.
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 11, 2012 at 11:58 am
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Look at that, commonality. I'm totally against slavery once she's finished pleasing me.
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February 11, 2012 at 12:18 pm
(January 31, 2012 at 2:14 pm)Xavier Wrote: I can't do that though.
If something is a pile of crap I could never just selectively ignore parts of it and believe the rest is divine like that.
Christians pick out whole kernels of corn out of their shit, and call it a divine miracle of God.
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 11, 2012 at 12:51 pm
well your question brings up multiple points so i will try and answer all of them in a way that you will understand. i'm not going to go back and forth on this all day so if you don't understand everything i have to say i encourage you to look and i mean actually look at all the things i bring up. you bring up punishments for the sin of man. many laws of the old testament have punishments of death. the punishments for all these sins were the responsibility of government to enfource. since we don't have the same government as then, it's only natural we don't have the same laws. since we don't have the same laws we don't have the same conciquences. it's about government, not morality. we still think adultery, murder and such are wrong but the punishments are for government to enforce.
second point about intolerance for other religions- you may not know this, but since christianity's founding, we have been tought to be kind to non believers and take a friendly approach to changing minds. yes, there have been those who have been aggressive, but these approaches are not biblical. before christ, judaism was only for the sons of abraham so they did not have teachings of spreading the word of God. so this point is was never a part of christianity in the first place.
Genesis- you may consider this BS but many christians don't. i consider these stories literal. many are physically impossible but i think the one who created the laws of physics can defy them. some christians believe that these stories are not literal and as a result not entirely accurate. i don't. i don't make up the facts as i go along. i believe what is written in the bible. it says there was a global flood and i believe it. it says all humans are descendants of a single couple and i believe it. you can tell me science says otherwise but science changes as it goes along. there is always a new discovery that changes our perspective on everything making proving many scientists who "knew" this stuff wrong. today you may say science proves the bible wrong and tomorrow those theories will be replaced and junked. i believe science is important but at the same time be looked at in a skeptical mannor. i will not address anything about science vs the bible on this thread but if you believe my beliefs are inconsistent, then go ahead and say it. i will also not engage in any apologetic debates here because i have gotten my fair share of those and have concluded every athiest here is not willing to listen to the facts i present and often don't read my posts in entirety before responding. any logical inconsistency you find is welcome and i will address them.
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February 11, 2012 at 12:55 pm
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"aggressive, but not biblical"
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February 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Which is why you will never be taken seriously outside of your circle of faith. Skepticism isn't something you arbitrarily apply to one thing but not another. An equal amount of skepticism should applied to your holy book, but you swallow it whole without question. And yes, science does change its mind, because it is constantly being refined. The followers of your holy book, however, are content with sticking to their guns despite all of the contray evidence.
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February 11, 2012 at 1:06 pm
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I like how he uses the words "fact" and "belief" interchangeably in his sentences.
"some christians believe that these stories are not literal and as a result not entirely accurate. i don't. i don't make up the facts as i go along. i believe what is written in the bible. it says there was a global flood and i believe it. it says all humans are descendants of a single couple and i believe it."
"Some christians" are clearly more interested in the world around them than you are, is likely the issue. "Some christians" aren't willing to propose ignorance as an article of faith.
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 11, 2012 at 1:12 pm
(February 11, 2012 at 12:51 pm)chipan Wrote: i believe what is written in the bible. it says there was a global flood and i believe it.
i believe what is written in green eggs and ham by dr. suess. it says there were green eggs and ham in a box, with a fox, in a house with a mouse and i believe it.
Also,
(February 11, 2012 at 12:51 pm)chipan Wrote: i will also not engage in any apologetic debates here because i have gotten my fair share of those and have concluded every athiest here is not willing to listen to the facts i present and often don't read my posts in entirety before responding
You're completely backwards. 
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February 11, 2012 at 1:16 pm
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Faith No More Wrote:Which is why you will never be taken seriously outside of your circle of faith. Skepticism isn't something you arbitrarily apply to one thing but not another. An equal amount of skepticism should applied to your holy book, but you swallow it whole without question. And yes, science does change its mind, because it is constantly being refined. The followers of your holy book, however, are content with sticking to their guns despite all of the contray evidence.
who are you to say what i have or haven't done? i have considered both sides and i find cosmology to be more ridiculous. if you had a PHD in christian theology and decided it was wrong, then i would have respect for what you have to say. i consider both points or i would not be here.
as for you rhythm, i have already discussed christians who do what is not biblical. that does not contradict my own beliefs or that of the bible. they are outside both.
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And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 11, 2012 at 1:24 pm
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Appeal to authority followed by a movable feast.
By the by, there are people who have PHD's in christian theology who have decided that your holy book is junk.
http://www.bartdehrman.com/curriculum.htm
But that doesn't mean that it is, for that, we'd have to take a look at the tapes, as it were.
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