Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?

[catfish]

"What's your take on Romans 2 then?"

I don't understand which part specifically you're referencing. If you'd elaborate for me, I'll answer the question.

How could a person who doesn't have the law know about Jesus? Read it.

[Tex]

God is good. They do the good. They know God. Referenced in in the same paragraph (verse 14-16): "For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, aaccording to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus."

They don't need to know the name "Jesus". They don't have to speak Hebrew. They don't even have to be out of the womb.

[catfish]

God is good. They do the good. They know God. Referenced in in the same paragraph (verse 14-16): "For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, aaccording to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus."

They don't need to know the name "Jesus". They don't have to speak Hebrew. They don't even have to be out of the womb.

So you agree that one doesn't have to believe Jesus as savior then?

[ThomM]

God is good. They do the good. They know God.

So - what YOU are saying is that when your "children" don't behave as you wish is is OKAY to DROWN them - and that is GOOD?

OR - then someone does not do what YOU want them to do - it is OKAY to murder the first born of their people? = And that is GOOD.

THe problem with Monotheisms - and even Polytheisms where ONE god is the creator - is that the creator it the ONLY power to create - and must have created everything - GOOD and EVIL. ANd since your god must have done that - since no other being in your belief has the power of creation - AND that god saw that ALL it created was GOOD - then EVIL is good as far as your god is concerned

[Tex]

"So you agree that one doesn't have to believe Jesus as savior then?"

That isn't what I said at all. Jesus is God. God is good. The child in the womb can still desire the good. The child desires God in the womb. The child desires Jesus in the womb. Indirect, but still there.

"So - what YOU are saying is that when your "children" don't behave as you wish is is OKAY to DROWN them - and that is GOOD?"

Oh ya, totally what I was getting at. Glad you caught it.

"OR - then someone does not do what YOU want them to do - it is OKAY to murder the first born of their people? = And that is GOOD."

Absolutely. You should be a theologian.

"THe problem with Monotheisms - and even Polytheisms where ONE god is the creator - is that the creator it the ONLY power to create - and must have created everything - GOOD and EVIL. ANd since your god must have done that - since no other being in your belief has the power of creation - AND that god saw that ALL it created was GOOD - then EVIL is good as far as your god is concerned."

Evil is not the opposite of Good. Evil is the lack of Good. There is only Good and the lack of Good.

[Joel]

Evil is something separate to good.
It's not like darkness is the absence of light. God created evil.

[Tex]

My God did not create evil. That would make morality arbitrary.

[Joel]

Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

King James Version.

Depending on your translation, it may say "calamity" instead.

[Tex]

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." KJV

"I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things." ESV

"formans lucem et creans tenebras faciens pacem et creans malum ego Dominus faciens omnia haec" Vulgate

(I can't read Greek or Hebrew)

I am well aware of the words. However, malum doesn't mean "evil" as we commonly use it. When you get fired from work, its malum. When you die in a video game, its malum. And yes, God gives us things that aren't pleasant. Intentionally.

[Joel]

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." KJV

"I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things." ESV

"formans lucem et creans tenebras faciens pacem et creans malum ego Dominus faciens omnia haec" Vulgate

(I can't read Greek or Hebrew)

I am well aware of the words. However, malum doesn't mean "evil" as we commonly use it. When you get fired from work, its malum. When you die in a video game, its malum. And yes, God gives us things that aren't pleasant. Intentionally.

That's different to creating evil, which you told me he didn't create because it would affect morality.
It doesn't matter if it means evil, or wrong doing (which a dictionary tells me it means - in latin)
God created it.

Unless we take into account Catfish's quote from earlier; in which case he may not have done.