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Atheism - less war?
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 (April 22, 2013 at 11:58 am)Dawud Wrote: PS Im glad you se the possibility of an atheist religion... One means a worldview with no gods. It's a descriptor. The other means a no god religion that applies to all atheists. Doesn't exist. ![[Image: Untitled2_zpswaosccbr.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i1140.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn569%2Fthesummerqueen%2FUntitled2_zpswaosccbr.png) 
I wouldn't base beliefs and actions on atheism. I figure that most atheists are probably humanists.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould 
"Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position". ~ Bill Maher.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter 
What Im saying is, if it was a religion that incorporated atheism then was it theist before?
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In the case of buddhism? Are we speaking historically?
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RE: Atheism - less war?
April 22, 2013 at 12:09 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2013 at 12:10 pm by Dawud.)
I don't lump all atheists together as one people so I felt safe to say a religion that is atheist
 It is the way of describing religions in academia that deny the existence of God such as some versions of Buddhism. I understand why people thought I was stupid cos most people are not as familiar with religion in the academic context...
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RE: Atheism - less war?
April 22, 2013 at 12:11 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2013 at 12:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Meh, I'll drive forward as though that's the question you were asking. Yes, buddhism is a sort of offshoot (in the legendary or mythical sense) of a theistic belief system (which famously had a school of hard atheism itself - long since lost to the ravage of time unfortunately). Siddhartha could be said to have began as brahmin (though only very very loosely), and became buddha.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
And Buddhism is not a religion so much as it is a philosophy.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter RE: Atheism - less war?
April 22, 2013 at 12:14 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2013 at 12:16 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
They sure like to say that...lol, don't they. Buddhism, by and large, is very religious.
(though, as a system that developed in an entirely different culture some of our western classifications are unsurprisingly not quite the right "fit")
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Atheism - less war?
April 22, 2013 at 12:20 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2013 at 12:21 pm by Dawud.)
I think it is the offshoot of Hindustani thought in a very real and palpable sense.
But I think it is fair to class it as an atheist religion as it doesn't mean that either all atheists subscribe to it or that it is derived from atheism. What I mean to say is that, contrary to some naive interpretations of the meaning of the word, one can be an atheist and be considered as being an adherent of a religion such as Buddhism or Jainism. Hence why experts who know about religion (in peer reviewed journals etc...) understand the possibility (as accepted by Rhythm) of someone being religious and atheism. The nativity comes when one assumes that atheism is a worldview like Christianity etc that defines a person and restricts them to not adhering to a religion.... I do not think atheism is so restrictive - but I understand that post-Christian atheism can take on the form of Christian thought (E.g. Only Christian thought is rational thought/only atheist thought is rational thought). I don't think that you all subscribe to this way of thinking but I am sure you are familiar with it and the rejection of merging atheism with religion is quite apparently similar to rejecting the idea of mixing Christian thought with 'pagan' thought.... No? *religious and atheist
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