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RE: you know i made a really good observation
November 3, 2014 at 11:45 am
I'm saying that for someone who supposedly values peace and not murdering people, he sure does engage in a whole lot of non-peace and murdering people.
And no, just because God is (supposedly) the one with the power doesn't magically give him rights on our lives.
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RE: you know i made a really good observation
November 3, 2014 at 11:56 am
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(November 3, 2014 at 11:45 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: (November 3, 2014 at 11:18 am)Huggy74 Wrote: But, you implied I was cherry picking. The scriptures I posted were relating to how a Christian should act. My point was, if their behavior is killing people when Jesus plainly states to "do no murder" or when the Bible say that murderers will not enter heaven:
Atheists still insist that a person that does this is a "christian" even though it's contradictory.
Has the person confessed in his heart to Christ the Savior? Isn't that the qualification for being a Christian?
Do good acts suffice without the confession? If it's acts alone, we can discount the Savior bit. If the belief is required, you cannot dismiss their faith based solely on their misdeeds. After all, Christian doctrine asserts that all men are fallen sinners and need redemption.
Who are you to say that their sins are so heinous that they will not be saved by your god?
No, you must first repent of your sin, "repent" means to "turn away from". Then be baptized, and then receive the holy spirit, only then can you claim to be a Christian, this is why it's referred to as being "born again". The sinful nature is replaced with the nature of the holy spirit (Christ), which is why the Bible states that "he that is born of God does not commit sin".
So, if you claim to be a Christian, but dabble in a little murder, it proves that your nature was never changed in the first place.
(November 3, 2014 at 11:45 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'm saying that for someone who supposedly values peace and not murdering people, he sure does engage in a whole lot of non-peace and murdering people.
And no, just because God is (supposedly) the one with the power doesn't magically give him rights on our lives.
So you're saying that people that sacrifice their children to devils should not be punished?
BTW it's called justice, not murder.
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RE: you know i made a really good observation
November 3, 2014 at 11:59 am
And once again we have the definition of a True Christian™. I'm sure all your fellow Christians will agree with you completely.
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RE: you know i made a really good observation
November 3, 2014 at 12:01 pm
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(November 3, 2014 at 11:59 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: And once again we have the definition of a True Christian™. I'm sure all your fellow Christians will agree with you completely.
answer the question.
Do you believe that people that sacrifice their children to devils should not be punished?
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RE: you know i made a really good observation
November 3, 2014 at 12:04 pm
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(November 3, 2014 at 11:56 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (November 3, 2014 at 11:45 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: Has the person confessed in his heart to Christ the Savior? Isn't that the qualification for being a Christian?
Do good acts suffice without the confession? If it's acts alone, we can discount the Savior bit. If the belief is required, you cannot dismiss their faith based solely on their misdeeds. After all, Christian doctrine asserts that all men are fallen sinners and need redemption.
Who are you to say that their sins are so heinous that they will not be saved by your god?
No, you must first repent of your sin, "repent" means to "turn away from". Then be baptized, and then receive the holy spirit, only then can you claim to be a Christian, this is why it's referred to as being "born again". The sinful nature is replaced with the nature of the holy spirit (Christ), which is why the Bible states that "he that is born of God does not commit sin".
So, if you claim to be a Christian, but dabble in a little murder, it proves that your nature was never changed in the first place.
Then you can repent for anything fucking thing you did like Hitler he killed millions before taking his own life because the Allies were getting close to him and he was the war. As long as he asks for forgiveness he can be in heaven. By your own admission you can get away with anything because forgiveness can be exploited. you can be a great person all your life then go to hell because you did not believe in god and then god would be his own hypocrite. Atheists have a better chance of going to heaven more than you Christians do we are all rounded individuals who care for others not love everyone because we not told to be because we just do and not love love more like some what of you know sympathy which christians lack. A guy is about to kill himself christians egg him on or say your gonna go to hell for this or your a coward. i can say this that person is not a coward for wanting to do it he is more courage to do it than cowardice. Christians have no good morality is what i should say. Chances are i would be trying to help the person and maybe some good christians but even still they will try to screw him up throwing god into the mix.
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RE: you know i made a really good observation
November 3, 2014 at 12:04 pm
(November 3, 2014 at 12:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (November 3, 2014 at 11:59 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: And once again we have the definition of a True Christian™. I'm sure all your fellow Christians will agree with you completely.
answer the question.
Do you believe that people that sacrifice their children to devils should not be punished?
Of course they should, don't be daft. But drowning the entire earth because God had a hissy fit about men worshipping other Gods? Even killing the unborn children and infants that couldn't possibly know they were doing something wrong?
Das murder, bro.
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RE: you know i made a really good observation
November 3, 2014 at 12:08 pm
(November 3, 2014 at 12:04 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (November 3, 2014 at 12:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: answer the question.
Do you believe that people that sacrifice their children to devils should not be punished?
Of course they should, don't be daft. But drowning the entire earth because God had a hissy fit about men worshipping other Gods? Even killing the unborn children and infants that couldn't possibly know they were doing something wrong?
Das murder, bro.
these theists.... silly theists...
we are right in the end because god if he existed should be put on trial for crimes against humanity.
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RE: you know i made a really good observation
November 3, 2014 at 12:09 pm
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(November 3, 2014 at 12:04 pm)dyresand Wrote: (November 3, 2014 at 11:56 am)Huggy74 Wrote: No, you must first repent of your sin, "repent" means to "turn away from". Then be baptized, and then receive the holy spirit, only then can you claim to be a Christian, this is why it's referred to as being "born again". The sinful nature is replaced with the nature of the holy spirit (Christ), which is why the Bible states that "he that is born of God does not commit sin".
So, if you claim to be a Christian, but dabble in a little murder, it proves that your nature was never changed in the first place.
Then you can repent for anything fucking thing you did like Hitler he killed millions before taking his own life because the Allies were getting close to him and he was the war. As long as he asks for forgiveness he can be in heaven. By your own admission you can get away with anything because forgiveness can be exploited. you can be a great person all your life then go to hell because you did not believe in god and then god would be his own hypocrite. Atheists have a better chance of going to heaven more than you Christians do we are all rounded individuals who care for others not love everyone because we not told to be because we just do and not love love more like some what of you know sympathy which christians lack. A guy is about to kill himself christians egg him on or say your gonna go to hell for this or your a coward. i can say this that person is not a coward for wanting to do it he is more courage to do it than cowardice. Christians have no good morality is what i should say. Chances are i would be trying to help the person and maybe some good christians but even still they will try to screw him up throwing god into the mix.
forgiveness can't be "exploited" because God knows whats in the heart, and whether one is sincere or not.
(November 3, 2014 at 12:04 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (November 3, 2014 at 12:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: answer the question.
Do you believe that people that sacrifice their children to devils should not be punished?
Of course they should, don't be daft. But drowning the entire earth because God had a hissy fit about men worshipping other Gods? Even killing the unborn children and infants that couldn't possibly know they were doing something wrong?
Das murder, bro.
No it's not, if you knew anything you'd know that children can't "die"... i'll let you ponder that one for a minute.
According to the Law "the soul that sinneth, that soul shall die"
The Law must be enforced, or it is no law, Bro..
(November 3, 2014 at 12:08 pm)dyresand Wrote: these theists.... silly theists...
we are right in the end because god if he existed should be put on trial for crimes against humanity.
And this is an example of someone being given over to strong delusions.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie
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RE: you know i made a really good observation
November 3, 2014 at 12:17 pm
The moral and logical knots you tie yourself in must be painful. You'll think of anything to excuse your God of any immorality, when if any of us did the things he did, we'd be monsters. But I forgot, God has rights on our lives because he has the power and he created us blah blah.
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RE: you know i made a really good observation
November 3, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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(November 3, 2014 at 12:17 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The moral and logical knots you tie yourself in must be painful. You'll think of anything to excuse your God of any immorality, when if any of us did the things he did, we'd be monsters. But I forgot, God has rights on our lives because he has the power and he created us blah blah.
Really? so the death penalty doesn't exist? Last time I looked, the government executed people all the time, and they are NOT omnipotent.
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