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Can you make a God claim?
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 10, 2015 at 12:59 pm
Whose character?
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 10, 2015 at 1:01 pm
I'm only being silly. I talk a lot of crap Big Grin Keeps my spirits up.

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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 10, 2015 at 1:02 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Grasshopper Wrote: Whose character?

When you said this.

Everything in this world is testable because it is made of matter.

Your hypothesis was nulled from this ^
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 10, 2015 at 1:15 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 1:02 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(January 10, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Grasshopper Wrote: Whose character?

When you said this.

Everything in this world is testable because it is made of matter.

Your hypothesis was nulled from this ^

Yeah so god is not verifiable matter and cannot be tested. So ?
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm (This post was last modified: January 10, 2015 at 1:22 pm by dyresand.)
(January 10, 2015 at 1:15 pm)Grasshopper Wrote:
(January 10, 2015 at 1:02 pm)dyresand Wrote: When you said this.

Everything in this world is testable because it is made of matter.

Your hypothesis was nulled from this ^

Yeah so god is not verifiable matter and cannot be tested. So ?

so god does not exist because god would need to be some sort of matter. So god cannot be tested to exist because we don't know what god is made of nor know if he is made up of matter.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 10, 2015 at 1:28 pm (This post was last modified: January 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm by IATIA.)
(January 10, 2015 at 12:49 pm)Grasshopper Wrote:
(January 10, 2015 at 12:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: And there may be no matter to test.
I'm sorry I don't get it
You said, "What you think is real is just electrical signals interpreted by your brain".

Then you said, "Everything in this world is testable because it is made of matter.".

How can it be 'testable' if it is not 'real'. The test results would not be any more real or unreal than anything else.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm (This post was last modified: January 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm by Grasshopper.)
(January 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(January 10, 2015 at 1:15 pm)Grasshopper Wrote: Yeah so god is not verifiable matter and cannot be tested. So ?

so god does not exist because god would need to be some sort of matter. So god cannot be tested to exist because we don't know what god is made of nor know if he is made up of matter.

That's what I said in my first post!
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 10, 2015 at 1:36 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Grasshopper Wrote:
(January 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm)dyresand Wrote: so god does not exist because god would need to be some sort of matter. So god cannot be tested to exist because we don't know what god is made of nor know if he is made up of matter.

That's what I said in my first post!
Now don't take offense or anything but it's been a long day and I don't need this right now
So in the words of jack Sparrow - gentlemen! I shake my hands off this weirdness. See you in 9-10 hours

Its not even that if you hold a position at least try to defend it. Do not be like this guy

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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 10, 2015 at 3:04 pm (This post was last modified: January 10, 2015 at 3:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 10, 2015 at 12:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: And there may be no matter to test.
"Matter" is something we have experience with, observations of. Those observations may be "just" signals in the brain, and those signals may be in error...but since empiricism explicitly refers to observation, and not the accuracy of any particular observation.....pointing out the nature of those observations or the limitations thereof is hardly a refutation of the empiricists position.

Even if it were "just" brain waves...we'd still be testing something, and "just" brain waves does not equal "not real". If we're wrong about the details of something...that doesn't mean that whatever we were observing or experiencing has simply poofed out of existence.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 10, 2015 at 3:19 pm (This post was last modified: January 10, 2015 at 3:19 pm by robvalue.)
I was discussing with my friend what a bargain basement definition of "real" would be, within a given reality framework assumed to be itself real. I said that something is real if it is available to be experienced by any observer in that reality. If only a subset can experience it, it's most likely not "real" but a failure of their senses. That could change if we ever did find observer dependent reality.
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