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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 8, 2015 at 3:18 pm
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(February 8, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 3:04 pm)Nope Wrote: The people in the video are probably releasing a lot of tension. I don't see that dancing or jumping or screaming to be any different than what tribal people used to do. Perhaps that is why the lyrics in the song seem to repeat over and over. It gets people into a trance like state so that they can allow themselves to lose control.
maybe they're just high
Where can I get some?
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 8, 2015 at 3:28 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 3:04 pm)Nope Wrote: The people in the video are probably releasing a lot of tension. I don't see that dancing or jumping or screaming to be any different than what tribal people used to do. Perhaps that is why the lyrics in the song seem to repeat over and over. It gets people into a trance like state so that they can allow themselves to lose control.
maybe they're just high
yup probably just high! xD!
Seriously though I have never seen someone act so strange over religion before, weird...
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 8, 2015 at 3:30 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 3:18 pm)Nope Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: maybe they're just high
Where can I get some?
In the church
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 8, 2015 at 11:05 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 8:32 am)coolfunkDJ Wrote:
I need help
I have been brought up in religion since I was born, and im now 14 years of age, I have left religion because I started thinking about God, and if, he did really love us then why did he flood us, and if he didnt care about flooding us, why didnt he kill Adam And Eve?
Anyway so one thing led to another but here is where I need help, I tell my family im agnostic in ways (Because I dont wanna tell them im athies) and now, more than ever, they're trying to force me to attend christian conventions and go to church and I just want to scream no, but I really don't want to upset my parents, it would make me feel guilty
What should I do? Should I tell them im athiest, because I feel like they will force it upon me more if I do, or should I keep quiet! Please! Respond!
What if you're wrong and the God of the Bible is exactly who He says He is. You then come here and ask for advice from these people, don't you know that doing so will deepen their troubles with God if they respond to you. Do you really want that responsibility, do you want to meet God with that against you. You will never be able to prove the God of the Bible doesn't exist, none of the people here have been able to, I've been here 5 years and no one scrap of evidence, let lone proof.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 8, 2015 at 11:15 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 11:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 8:32 am)coolfunkDJ Wrote:
I need help
I have been brought up in religion since I was born, and im now 14 years of age, I have left religion because I started thinking about God, and if, he did really love us then why did he flood us, and if he didnt care about flooding us, why didnt he kill Adam And Eve?
Anyway so one thing led to another but here is where I need help, I tell my family im agnostic in ways (Because I dont wanna tell them im athies) and now, more than ever, they're trying to force me to attend christian conventions and go to church and I just want to scream no, but I really don't want to upset my parents, it would make me feel guilty
What should I do? Should I tell them im athiest, because I feel like they will force it upon me more if I do, or should I keep quiet! Please! Respond!
What if you're wrong and the God of the Bible is exactly who He says He is. You then come here and ask for advice from these people, don't you know that doing so will deepen their troubles with God if they respond to you. Do you really want that responsibility, do you want to meet God with that against you. You will never be able to prove the God of the Bible doesn't exist, none of the people here have been able to, I've been here 5 years and no one scrap of evidence, let lone proof.
GC
Because the poster is a teen he might not have heard the term Pascal's Wager but I am glad that you brought it up because it won't be the last time he hears this argument. Basically, the threat is that even if the chance a god exists is low, rejecting him is so dangerous that a human should force themselves to ignore facts and accept the nonexistent deity as real. It always amazes me that Christians don't view Pascal's Wager as offensive to their faith.
There is no god so there is no reason to guilt trip the young man.
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 8, 2015 at 11:21 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 8:32 am)coolfunkDJ Wrote:
I need help
I have been brought up in religion since I was born, and im now 14 years of age, I have left religion because I started thinking about God, and if, he did really love us then why did he flood us, and if he didnt care about flooding us, why didnt he kill Adam And Eve?
Anyway so one thing led to another but here is where I need help, I tell my family im agnostic in ways (Because I dont wanna tell them im athies) and now, more than ever, they're trying to force me to attend christian conventions and go to church and I just want to scream no, but I really don't want to upset my parents, it would make me feel guilty
What should I do? Should I tell them im athiest, because I feel like they will force it upon me more if I do, or should I keep quiet! Please! Respond! If your family is Christian then lie to them. Pretend to be a Christian. It's your best weapon right now since you don't have legal autonomy to make some "choices".
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 8, 2015 at 11:26 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 11:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: What if you're wrong and the God of the Bible is exactly who He says He is. You then come here and ask for advice from these people, don't you know that doing so will deepen their troubles with God if they respond to you. Do you really want that responsibility, do you want to meet God with that against you. You will never be able to prove the God of the Bible doesn't exist, none of the people here have been able to, I've been here 5 years and no one scrap of evidence, let lone proof.
How can my troubles get any deeper according to your beliefs? Are there some people who only suffer a light toasting? Or do some people get paroled after 1000 years of torment?
If God exists, I'm sure he isn't so petty that he would punish people for not believing in him.
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 8, 2015 at 11:34 pm
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(February 8, 2015 at 11:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: What if you're wrong and the God of the Bible is exactly who He says He is. You then come here and ask for advice from these people, don't you know that doing so will deepen their troubles with God if they respond to you. Do you really want that responsibility, do you want to meet God with that against you. You will never be able to prove the God of the Bible doesn't exist, none of the people here have been able to, I've been here 5 years and no one scrap of evidence, let lone proof.
GC
What if the Christian god is not the real god? What if the real god hates Christians and other suck-ups and hypocrites? Do you want to stand before god, admitting that you've been consciously worshipping false idols, like Jesus? I've never seen a shred of proof that the Christian version of afterlife is the "true" one. Because Allah may be pretty p***ed off, that you've WILLFULLY ignored his Quran. Not to mention Joseph Smith, Manitou, Vishnu, Krishna, Yahwe and countless others.
Yeah - Pascal's Wager only works on dumb people who don't understand probabilities...
I think one is better of living as a honest person and not believe in any of the scams until there is at least some reason to choose one over the other, because they're all equally ridiculous and they contradict each other every step of the way (in most cases they even contradict themselves).
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 8, 2015 at 11:40 pm
Your parents love you and only want the best for you, in their minds they believe they are right, imagine if you were your parents and believed you were an atheist, and one of them were your child that wanted to be a Christian, what would you do ?, of course you couldn't really answer that.
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
February 9, 2015 at 12:07 am
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Because youre a minor you'll probably not have a lot of choice in the matter so keep your head down.
Some possible techniques for keeping sane:
Start learning theist arguments and how they will try to appeal to you/scare you back into the fold to immunize yourself from appeals to emotions and fear.
Look at church as a research opportunity. Take lots of notes about what's said, especially if it leads back to a common theist argument or appeal to emotion. Your folks will probably be happy you're paying attention and you get to learn how to construct rebuttles to the sermon.
Ask LOTS of questions. Especially about the sermon you just left. Ask hard questions your family will have trouble rebutting. If you ask too many questions that might let you stay home.
All else fails, keep your mouth shut and head down and tough it out, especially if the repercussions will be severe.
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
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