The dumbest fucking arguments you've ever heard.

[Ravenshire]

Kirk Cameron strikes me as if he had been a sought after actor, he wouldn't have taken the path he did.

Cameron strikes me as the kind of guy who realized his acting talents will never convince a real audience but could be used to fool the rubes.

[The Reality Salesman01]

Talking of stupid arguments, WLC is visiting my university soon for a debate. Half tempted to go.

It would be worth it just for the off chance that you could ask a question! Who's he debating?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Talking of stupid arguments, WLC is visiting my university soon for a debate. Half tempted to go.

It would be worth it just for the off chance that you could ask a question! Who's he debating?

Some rational skeptics from the University (he's supported by a dude from the theology department I think).

Fear I'm too late to book a place, but I think it's going to be recorded so I'll post it up on here.

[robvalue]

WLC should only be paid by special "faith money".

[QuarkDriven]

I've seen a guy on youtube say if the bible said 2+2=5 he'd believe it with no question because the bible is saying it...

[robvalue]

That is amazing. How could that possibly work? He'd be rather easy to con, don't you think?

You give me 5 pounds, and here's 2 pounds back, and another 2. Oh go one, have a 50p as well, then you're ahead! OK let's do it again...

[Esquilax]

WLC should only be paid by special "faith money".

Pay him with Monopoly money, and when he objects, tell him that he doesn't need the evidence of his senses, because you have a "self authenticating witness of money," that tells you that it's actually real money, no matter the evidence. He just needs to stop using the magisterial use of reason with regards to the money, and start using the ministerial type of reason, where reason serves the preconceived conclusion that the money is real.

It'd be fun to see what he says to that.

[abentwookie]

#1. The argument from ignorance, which is the most common one I hear in discussions.

#2. Presuppositionalism.

#3. "You just need to have faith!"

I think the video below sums up how I feel about all three of these arguments.

[DeistPaladin]

#2. Presuppositionalism.

I actually love the presuppositionalist argument. ...in the sense that I have an analytic mind and love to solve puzzles. This particular argument presents the challenge: "Can you find all the logical fallacies packed into this one argument?"

It's kind of like those puzzles I used to do as a kid, finding all the "mistakes" in a picture.

It takes me back. See how you think I did on this other thread devoted to the subject. I found 12.

Argument from Ignorance:
"You can't explain the laws of logic"

Argument from Incredulity:
"I can't imagine any other way to account for the laws of logic except Jesus"

Bare Assertion:
"(Yahweh)'s existence accounts for the laws of logic."

Bare Assertion to justify a bare assertion:
"Only by assuming (Yahweh's) existence can we account for the laws of logic"

Circular Reasoning:
"(Yahweh's) existence accounts for reason and that's why we can reason (Yahweh) exists."

Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
"Well, every philosophy is circular. You have unfounded presuppositions too. ...Do so! ...Do so!"

Special Pleading:
"None of the other gods can account for the laws of logic. They're not real. They're just made up. But Jesus, he's real."

Shifting of the Burden of Proof:
"The skeptic can't account for..."
a.k.a. "Neener, neener, you don't know everything, therefore Jesus"

False Equivalency:
"Well, you have faith in all that science and evolution and stuff. That's no different than my faith in the Bible."

God-Verb-It:
OK, this technically isn't a logical fallacy but presenting it as an "explanation" for anything should be.

Raising the Bar:
"Explain why we use reason without using reason, otherwise, I'll say 'that's circular reasoning'."

Non-Sequitur:
If you can't account for the laws of logic, I'll take that as proof of Jesus.

[Joods]

I'm so glad I get to participate in this thread... so I am currently debating with several xians on diply. Things have been quite heated there. The following is an excerpt from the comments section between myself and another commenter...

Judi Lynn · Top Commenter ·
Praying doesn't do anything other than give some lazy person permission to get out of being active in actually doing something about an issue. Praying hasn't found a cure for cancer. Praying hasn't solved the worlds hunger problems. And I'm pretty sure volcanoes don't give a crap about praying because lava will flow where it wants to and all the praying in the world isn't going to stop it.

James Hill · Top Commenter ·
I wish I could convince someone on the internet of how silly they sound, but unfortunately I cannot.

Oh, I was talking about *name removed, *name removed, and Judi Lynn. Not the original comment I'm replying to.

Judi Lynn · Top Commenter ·
James Hill, Are you insinuating that we sound silly because we make valid points? If so, your argument is INVALID and I welcome you to show physical proof that god exists. Please, by all means.

James Hill · Top Commenter ·
First of all, your argument about prayers is not at all accurate. No where in the bible does is tell you to be lazy.
Second, the other two were being completely rude and disrespectful. Not sure why people think it's okay to be a jerk when someone else believes in something you don't.
Third, if you have any religious belief, it is actually been proven to improve your health. So if it's true or not doesn't even matter. (psych 101)
Forth, I can't think a of a single explanation for how we are here aside from God creating us.
Evolution? Theory, and a very unscientific and illogical one at that.
Fifth, and I can't stress this one enough, this is a comment section. I have never seen someone have a complete change in belief or complete change in view point because of reading comment replies. I found myself a while back replying to everyone that disagreed with me, and all that happened is I got frustrated because they ignored every point I made and continued to argue. So, if you want to continue this reply stuff, well, go ahead.
Sixth, want physical proof? I'm not sure what you mean exactly, a being thats all around us isn't physical, and you probably don't want to accept the physical proof being you, me, everyone on this earth, and everything in this universe that He created, so no matter what I say you're pre-determined to disagree with me.
Regardless, have a nice day.

Judi Lynn · Top Commenter ·
LMFAO. That has got to be the most ignorant bunch of statements made here yet!

First - I never said the BIBLE says if you pray you are lazy. That was my own opinion based on watching others pray and seeing NOTHING HAPPEN.
Second - your reply about the other two is generally what I would expect from an uneducated religious zealot.
Third - please back up your claim about religion improving one's health. I'd like to see actual documentation from accredited medical journals, studies from medical universities etc, not just some fact you made up in your head.
Fourth - it's not spelled forth. You obviously know nothing about Evolution. Even some christian churches believe in evolution to a point.
Fifth - what does this even have to do with my comment? I'm not trying to change anyone so this is a moot point.
And MOST IMPORTANTLY: Sixth: Weak arguments made from an even weaker person. The bible was written approximately 3000 years ago, supposedly taken from copies of copies of manuscripts that have never been found. According to the bible, the world is CURRENTLY about 6000 years old, give or take a few hundred years. If THIS is what you believe, James Hill, then please by all means explain to me how carbon dating puts the dinosaurs that actually did roam the earth, at well over a billion years old? Or did those just not really exist because they weren't mentioned in the bible? Carbon dating proves any point I make about the world being MUCH older than 6000 years.

But please continue to live in a fairy tale existence where the world is only 6000 years old and is probably flat. Because, well, fuck science.