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Poll: This has made me think.
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Just read this and tell me what you think.
#21
RE: Just read this and tell me what you think.
There's no way to tell we aren't living in a dream world. What's your point?
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#22
RE: Just read this and tell me what you think.
(June 3, 2015 at 10:38 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(June 3, 2015 at 10:36 am)rary Wrote: I have determined that this new world does not follow the laws of physics because of the way things move the way you travel communicate telepathically and so on. 

...Huh?

lack of gravity, being able to communicate telepathically, travelling at high speeds with just your body, flying. You can't do these things on planet Earth, law of physics do not apply.

I think at this moment for me, this is too hard to explain. I would need to improve my vocabulary and writing skills lol. 
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#23
RE: Just read this and tell me what you think.
(June 3, 2015 at 9:02 am)rary Wrote: It is extremely difficult for me express my thoughts into writing but I will try my best.

Right, atheists believe there is no life after death, no supernatural being or world and so on.
Their belief is based on the laws of Physics.

Some atheists believe that there are no god or gods.  All atheists lack a believe in a god or gods.  This is subtle but important difference.  Regarding the truth of any claim there are three possible positions:  proven, disproven, and unproven.  With regard to god, atheists include those falling into either the unproven and disproven groups.

Atheism only concerns a lack of belief in a god or gods.  It is quite possible to be atheist and believe in an afterlife, or other supernatural ideas.  

(June 3, 2015 at 9:02 am)rary Wrote: Their belief is based on the laws of Physics

Nope.

(June 3, 2015 at 9:02 am)rary Wrote: All information we receive is through our five senses, which is then processed in our brains, which also affects our understanding and thinking.
So we know that our brain is responsible for the way we perceive this world we live in.

Actually there are considerably more than five senses, but we'll let that pass for the moment. http://listverse.com/2013/04/30/10-lesse...an-senses/

(June 3, 2015 at 9:02 am)rary Wrote: With certain substances (for example DMT) our minds can be 'altered' where we now live in a completely new world. This new world does not obey the laws of physics. We meet and interact with other beings. The time we spend in this new world is as life like as any.
My thought is, how can we be so sure this new world is only an illusion and not real? The information we receive in this new world is still being processed by our brains, just as though it is right this moment whilst you are reading this post. The brain is the same, the only difference is the way your process the information you receive.
The time we spend in this new world with an 'altered' mind although relatively short; still exists as you have seen and have been in this place.
If you were living in this new world with the 'altered' mind for longer than a few hours, say few years, would you not believe this new world as your only world?

How do you know right this moment whilst you are reading this post your mind is not 'altered' from a time before you were born on this planet?

The brain naturally produces DMT, at three points, a large amount when you are born and when you die, and a small quantity whilst you are dreaming.
This adds to my point, if you were to take DMT right now, you will be transported to a whole new world, the way you perceive information is now completely different to what has been since you have lived. So.. when you are born DMT can be seen in the brain in large quantities.. and when you die DMT can be seen in the brain in large quantities. Can you see the link?

Edit: By a 'new world' I don't literally mean, you physically locate yourself to a whole new world, I mean that the way you now perceive things are so different to how you 'normally' do, that you see and are in a whole new world (in your mind). The new place you see is so life like that you believe this is real whilst the time you are there. The only difference is the way your brain processed the information it was receiving. However at the time it feels just as real as it does right now while I am sitting here typing on my computer.

Drugs, hormones, sleep states, brain trauma and a number of other things can alter perception and thinking.  Proving that I'm not in one of those would be difficult.  But behaving as if I thought I was would lead to much greater consequences.  Generally speaking we all behave as if we are perceiving the world correctly because bumping into walls hurts.  In other words it's counterproductive, and impractical to waste much time worrying that we are under the influence of a drug or part of a matrix like computer program etc.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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#24
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Hell, I thought this was just a question of epistemological certainty or something. Now that OP's getting into telepathy and lack of gravity and dreamworlds I don't know what the hell is going on.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#25
RE: Just read this and tell me what you think.
(June 3, 2015 at 10:43 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: There's no way to tell we aren't living in a dream world.  What's your point?

The laws of physics were created by how we percieve the world and this universe.
The point is if such a state of mind can exist when you high levels of DMT, which deny the laws of Physics as we know them. 
Then is it not possible for there to be more after death, or have been more before we were born.
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#26
RE: Just read this and tell me what you think.
(June 3, 2015 at 10:46 am)rary Wrote: The laws of physics were created by how we percieve the world and this universe.

Woah, what? Are you saying that the descriptive laws that govern the universe were 'created' by our perception?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#27
RE: Just read this and tell me what you think.
(June 3, 2015 at 10:46 am)rary Wrote:
(June 3, 2015 at 10:43 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: There's no way to tell we aren't living in a dream world.  What's your point?

The laws of physics were created by how we percieve the world and this universe.
The point is if such a state of mind can exist when you high levels of DMT, which deny the laws of Physics as we know them. 
Then is it not possible for there to be more after death, or have been more before we were born.

The laws of physics are created by people to describe how the world actually works based upon human observations.   Yes you can take a drug that might make somethings appear to happen that contravene the way the world appears work when you are sober. 

But I don't see what that has to do with the possibility of an after life, or a before life.  (I don't believe in an after life, or a pre-born life either, but that conclusion doesn't follow from your premise.)
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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#28
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We can't tell if this is a hallucination or not, but that doesn't mean that it is.
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#29
RE: Just read this and tell me what you think.
(June 3, 2015 at 10:48 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(June 3, 2015 at 10:46 am)rary Wrote: The laws of physics were created by how we percieve the world and this universe.

Woah, what?  Are you saying that the descriptive laws that govern the universe were 'created' by our perception?


Of course they were, if the human brain were to naturally produce DMT constantly everyday of our lives of every single human being on this planet, the our laws of physics would be completely different to what they are now.
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#30
RE: Just read this and tell me what you think.
Why are we talking about the specific drug DMT so much? It could be any drug with any properties and effects if it comes from a world we have never experienced.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. -Bertrand Russell

Even if god did exist, he has yet to prove it, and our doubt is justified.
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