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Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
#51
RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
(August 3, 2015 at 1:30 am)Godschild Wrote:
(August 2, 2015 at 8:56 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Why wouldn't the christer cause be enhanced with additional Jesus suffering beyond his hours on the cross??  I'm surprised this is even an issue.  
There is almost universal horror of gay stuff in the christer orbit, having their Salvation purchased by their Jesus suffering mightily at the hands, er, well, the barbed and cloven penis of Satan,  would make their Eternal Reward all the more precious, no ??

What am I missing here ??

Could it be a heart?

GC

I see much evidence of vorlon13's heart.  Yours I doubt from time to time.  But I suspect you have good one, it's just that religion drowns it from time to time.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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#52
RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
(August 3, 2015 at 1:29 am)Kitan Wrote:
(August 3, 2015 at 1:26 am)Godschild Wrote: Fixed that for you, I understand you got your words mixed up.

GC

You did not fix anything.

After all, one single denomination withing the multitude of the Christian religion can be considered biblically illiterate by any other denomination due to the differences in interpreting scripture.

If there is dissension within your own ranks, how can you presume to judge those who do not believe?

It's not me who judges, God does that and you're included.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#53
RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
(August 3, 2015 at 1:34 am)Jenny A Wrote:
(August 3, 2015 at 1:30 am)Godschild Wrote: Could it be a heart?

GC

I see much evidence of vorlon13's heart.  Yours I doubt from time to time.  But I suspect you have good one, it's just that religion drowns it from time to time.

My faith in Christ, like all Christians, makes my heart.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#54
RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
(August 3, 2015 at 1:34 am)Godschild Wrote: It's not me who judges, God does that and you're included.

GC

You are judging, yet hiding behind an imaginary being's cloak in doing thus.

You believe according to the scripture you read that I am going to burn, and by resorting to the old tried and true, "It's up to god" you are merely conveying your own thoughts through what you have read and presume to know.

One of the major problems atheists have with theists is that they are continually shifting the blame.  "It's not me that hates you, god does."

You are a follower of god.  If god hates us, according to your scripture, then so do you.  And you need to stop being fucking idiots hiding behind the cloak of an imaginary being.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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#55
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Yeah, it's mealy-mouthed bullshit.

"I'm not judging, because 'cast the first stone' and all that jazz. But, I'm god's biggest cheerleader and all my opinions echo his, so... yeah... you're gonna burn. Not judging! But, you are. You really, really are."
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
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#56
RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
(August 2, 2015 at 5:13 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(August 2, 2015 at 4:16 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I think I have made a valiant effort in making the story make sense. 

Satan HAD to be appeased (compensated) in the transaction that purchased Salvation for the 144,000.   Jesus is clearly the only one tagged to pay too, never heard a christer claim anyone else's sacrifice would do. Clearly, boiling ordinary sinners in molten iron doesn't buy Salvation for anyone. Just try to imagine for a moment what Jesus would have had to willingly endure to appease Satan for the sake of the 144,000 !!!   And to do it in just a matter of several hours.

If anything, I have understated the magnitude of His (temporary) torment.   Satan would not be bought off cheap.
The 144,000 were all Jews, all male and all virgins. If they're the only ones who will be saved then the vast majority of Christians are out of luck..
So you have all of those male virgins and no women.  And the person they're going to spend eternity with is a guy.  What could go wrong?  It's like the muslim guys spending time with the beautiful boys in paradise.    The holy books sure have a lot of gay sex in them.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
(August 2, 2015 at 7:55 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote:
(August 2, 2015 at 7:45 pm)Lek Wrote:
(August 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Do you think that the bible says Jesus went to hell and was tortured and tormented by Satan?  

Why did jesus go down there for "3" days then? And, why did it take 3 days to do whatever he had to do?
The three days is a reference to Jonah being in the fish for three days.  One of the more popular time intervals is 40 days and nights or even 40 years.  But there's over 100 passages in the Bible where three days is mentioned as a significant part of the story.  You would have to read all of them to get a grasp as to its significance.
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
(August 2, 2015 at 1:04 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Two things.  First, Friday night to Sunday morning is barely more than one day, not three days.  Christians seem mathematically challenged.

Second, there is little reason to believe (even if one takes the Bible seriously) that Jesus descended into hell.  Here are a couple of articles that deal with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell

http://www.compellingtruth.org/did-Jesus...-hell.html

The long and the short of it is that Christians disagree with each other on this point.

Who says that Jesus was crucified on Friday?  If a person understands the Jewish sabbath schedules, annual and weekly, it's easy to calculate that the crucifixion took place on Wednesday and that he rose at the end of  the weekly sabbath day (sundown, Saturday evening).  Here's an explanation:  http://www.centuryone.com/crucifixion.html

Starting a day at sunset always messes with my mind.
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#59
RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
(August 2, 2015 at 1:04 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Two things.  First, Friday night to Sunday morning is barely more than one day, not three days.  Christians seem mathematically challenged.

Second, there is little reason to believe (even if one takes the Bible seriously) that Jesus descended into hell.  Here are a couple of articles that deal with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell

http://www.compellingtruth.org/did-Jesus...-hell.html

The long and the short of it is that Christians disagree with each other on this point.

Sorry, but your two links are pure BS.  Acts 2:29-36 clearly states that the Jesus Christ character's soul went to hell.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...RV;KJV;CEV
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RE: Speculate on Jesus 3 days of HELLISH torment !!!
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...RV;KJV;CEV

So we circle back.  What was Jesus doing in Hell then ??

Dining on roast squab and leeks vinaigrette and washing it all down with a nice Merlot while talking 'shop' with Satan with the wails and gnashing of teeth of the damned providing a charming ambiance ??

Or was Jesus  SACRIFICING AND SUFFERING to purchase Salvation ?? 
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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