Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism

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Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism

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RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism

May 8, 2013 at 9:20 pm (This post was last modified: May 8, 2013 at 9:22 pm by xdrgnh.)

You can't have scientific evidence for G-d because he is not composed of space time or matter the exact things that physics deals with. However you can make logical arguments to show that something besides matter, space and time exists. The absolute creation or cause of the universe may not be a scientific question doesn't mean it doesn't have a absolute answer.

(May 8, 2013 at 9:17 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 8, 2013 at 9:07 pm)Rayaan Wrote: ... or energy.
...or thought and sensation.

I predict that someone will say the universe always existed, which is irrelevant to a cosmological argument, but they'll trot it out anyway.

I just started learning about metaphysics and the whole mind body problem. As a budding physicist I'd like to argue that thought and sensation is matter because it can only exist in the objective natural world. Though I don't want to argue about the nature of objective reality.

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Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 8:43 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 8, 2013 at 9:00 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 9:04 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 8, 2013 at 9:33 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Rayaan - May 8, 2013 at 9:07 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 9:10 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 9:17 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Rayaan - May 8, 2013 at 9:29 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by downbeatplumb - May 9, 2013 at 12:26 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Gearbreak - May 8, 2013 at 9:15 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 9:20 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Esquilax - May 8, 2013 at 9:26 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 9:38 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 8, 2013 at 10:59 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 8, 2013 at 11:36 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Esquilax - May 9, 2013 at 12:18 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 12:20 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Esquilax - May 9, 2013 at 1:12 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Tonus - May 9, 2013 at 9:40 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Baalzebutt - May 9, 2013 at 1:02 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by FifthElement - May 9, 2013 at 1:11 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 1:17 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by cneron - May 9, 2013 at 1:42 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2013 at 1:57 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 9, 2013 at 2:11 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2013 at 3:56 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Violet - May 9, 2013 at 1:49 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 9, 2013 at 2:51 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by tokutter - May 10, 2013 at 8:25 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 12, 2013 at 6:26 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 12:05 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 12:15 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 12:19 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 1:29 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 1:33 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by downbeatplumb - May 9, 2013 at 1:36 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 1:40 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by downbeatplumb - May 9, 2013 at 1:48 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Violet - May 9, 2013 at 1:55 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 1:57 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Violet - May 9, 2013 at 2:06 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Jackalope - May 9, 2013 at 3:22 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 2:02 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 2:09 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 2:18 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Violet - May 9, 2013 at 2:35 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ben Davis - May 12, 2013 at 3:52 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Ben Davis - May 9, 2013 at 12:17 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Simon Moon - May 9, 2013 at 12:32 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 12:44 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Jackalope - May 9, 2013 at 1:41 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 1:42 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Jackalope - May 9, 2013 at 1:47 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by xdrgnh - May 9, 2013 at 1:50 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Jackalope - May 9, 2013 at 2:27 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Gearbreak - May 9, 2013 at 2:03 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Napoléon - May 10, 2013 at 8:32 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Neo-Scholastic - May 10, 2013 at 4:27 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Simon Moon - May 10, 2013 at 5:58 pm

Re: RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by frz - May 10, 2013 at 9:48 am

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Minimalist - May 10, 2013 at 4:46 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Jackalope - May 10, 2013 at 5:05 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by Violet - May 10, 2013 at 6:34 pm

RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by The Grand Nudger - May 10, 2013 at 10:17 pm

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