The source of all evil

[Rokcet Scientist]

You might have point. The bible isn't good source of morals after all.

No, I think it has some excellent points for those who choose to follow them.

Which ones, KM?
The 'excellent points' about killing unbelievers? About stoning adulterers? About slaughtering your own kids...?

Excellent points indeed...!

[kılıç_mehmet]

You might have point. The bible isn't good source of morals after all.

No, I think it has some excellent points for those who choose to follow them.

Which ones, KM?
The 'excellent points' about killing unbelievers? About stoning adulterers? About slaughtering your own kids...?

Excellent points indeed...!

And these are the only ones that you fished out of the whole book, I see.
Truly remarkable.

[Rokcet Scientist]

And these are the only ones that you fished out of the whole book, I see.
Truly remarkable.

Remarkable?
Cherry picking from the scripture is standard clerical practice, my friend.
If you pay attention, Sunday, you'll notice.

So you don't like those parts, eh? Well, then you've got a problem. Because a good Xtian is supposed to accept the whole bible. Warts and all. And not just the comics and sports sections...

So what does that make you, KM?

[kılıç_mehmet]

And these are the only ones that you fished out of the whole book, I see.
Truly remarkable.

Remarkable?
Cherry picking from the scripture is standard clerical practice, my friend.
If you pay attention, Sunday, you'll notice.

Indeed, but the scriptures they use are generally compatible with social stability and firm personal morals.
I think that all religions outline a good way to live one's life, and to abstain from things that are evil.
Chingiss Khan also said things that testify to this.

[Rokcet Scientist]

I think that all religions outline a good way to live one's life, and to abstain from things that are evil.

Then you need to remove your blinders and start to acknowledge that all religions also outline a bad way to live one's life, and promote – nay, command – doing evil.
Do you want more quotes on that?

Chingiss Khan also said things that testify to this.

And then he turned around and happily continued slaughtering, raping, and maiming millions!

[The Grand Nudger]

Indeed, but the scriptures they use are generally compatible with social stability and firm personal morals.
I think that all religions outline a good way to live one's life, and to abstain from things that are evil.
Chingiss Khan also said things that testify to this.

Yes firm personal morals, and social stability. Like hating teh gayz? Temujin as authority on morality or religion..? Sorry, no, fail.

[Blam!]

You might have point. The bible isn't good source of morals after all.

No, I think it has some excellent points for those who choose to follow them.

Which ones, KM?
The 'excellent points' about killing unbelievers? About stoning adulterers? About slaughtering your own kids...?

Excellent points indeed...!

And these are the only ones that you fished out of the whole book, I see.
Truly remarkable.

Nevertheless, there is the inhumane, barbaric verses in that Scripture. The excellent points of that Scripture DOES NOT make it any good. And the bible is NOT good source of morals. I do not see any reason why the one should learn nor follow the scripture' primitive morals to be good.

But I know one: Delusion of an afterlife - in other words, immortality. That's what most of theists yearning for. Or perhaps that kind of wishful thinking is not a ONLY factor.

"I have done something wrong - forgive me, god. Bah Bah bah"
This kind of self-delusion is an act of deluding oneself to remove the burden of responsibility [or Guilty] from their shoulders. This self-delusion will not make any good progress - I mean, where's the burden of responsibility to prevent them from repeat their mistakes? Wrath of God? No problem - pray god for forgiveness! Over and over and forth!

Edited: Some Christians believe Adolf Hitler even will go to heaven if he ask God for forgiveness! Some morals.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Yes firm personal morals, and social stability. Like hating teh gayz? Temujin as authority on morality or religion..? Sorry, no, fail.

He certainly is my authority on morality.
I do follow the guidelines of his code as best as I can.
Besides, I don't hate anyone who did not wrong me. I never had any quarrel with gays. And in my country, they try their best to stay off the public, and I appreciate that.
I only make comments on issues surrounding them including their state of being.

Then you need to remove your blinders and start to acknowledge that all religions also outline a bad way to live one's life, and promote – nay, command – doing evil.
Do you want more quotes on that?

Really, depends on what you perceive as evil.
And let's discuss that one. Like how does religion outline bad way to live your life as an individual.
Tell me about that one.

And then he turned around and happily continued slaughtering, raping, and maiming millions!

His goal was clear. To unite the world under the blue sky, and the his most glorious banner.
His way was clear.
Those who submitted to him, were spared his wrath. Those who did not, were subject to his wrath. Do not belitte him by stating that his only archievement were the glorious towers of skulls his soldiers took from his enemies. He went from the head of a simple tribe, to the most powerful person on the entire earth. And he taught us that he was humble enough to go silently, without even leaving a grave behind for people to weep.

Nevertheless, there is the inhumane, barbaric verses in that Scripture. The excellent points of that Scripture DOES NOT make it any good. And the bible is NOT good source of morals. I do not see any reason why the one should learn nor follow the scripture' primitive morals to be good.

Like...When Samson ripped some guys a new asshole through their stomachs with just a jawbone?
Obviously, those verses were not meant to instill morals, whatsoever.
They are there only to demonstrate the strength/wrath of God.
That's it. The moral guidelines are exhibited elsewhere, and people read the bible accordingly when searching for biblical morals.
Besides, it comes down on the person. I do not believe in the bible, so I do not use it in order to justify my moral standpoints.

But at the end, society is formed of individuals who agree on a common set of morals, which are not really distinct from what are said in most holy books.
Don't steal, don't fuck other people's wives, don't murder, don't cheat, don't do this, don't do that.
I think there is a reason why they are common for them all.

I mean, where's the burden of responsibility to prevent them from repeat their mistakes? Wrath of God? No problem - pray god for forgiveness! Over and over and forth!

It's in the book. They are responsible for their own mistakes, to the people whom they did wrong(even if themselves), but if you accept a religion, you are also responsible to God himself. So it's quite natural if they ask God for forgiveness first, as he is above every other man.

But I know one: Delusion of an afterlife - in other words, immortality. That's what most of theists yearning for. Or perhaps that kind of wishful thinking is not a ONLY factor.

Who does not? I do too.

Edited: Some Christians believe Adolf Hitler even will go to heaven if he ask God for forgiveness! Some morals.

And how is that to be morally wrong?

[Rokcet Scientist]

Time for some filleting, I see.

We got a live one, guys!

Hey, KM, go fuck yourself with your morals!

[kılıç_mehmet]

Time for some filleting, I see.

We got a live one, guys!

Hey, KM, go fuck yourself with your morals!

Wow, you're such a rebel. Is your mum a stripper?