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RE: Help Me Answer My Evangelical Aunt's Most Recent Email!
January 2, 2012 at 2:52 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 2:16 pm)aleialoura Wrote: I've been meaning to post an update, because I did reply. I decided to only reply with the bible verses that revj put in his suggestion about how Jesus said you're not supposed to flaunt your prayers.
That's literally all I put in the reply. I thought that anything I said probably wouldn't matter, but surely she cared what Jesus had to say since she loves him so much, and all.
Here is the reply she sent to that:
Alei's Aunt Wrote:I'm sorry, but I am afraid that we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. When Jesus said those things it was intended for a world where everyone believed in him like they did back then, not for the world we live in now, when everyone doesn't but needs to. I love you!
That's a very interesting response.
I'd love to ask her just what other parts of the bible I can pick and choose to ignore.
I KNOW! How about the WHOLE FUCKING THING?
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
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RE: Help Me Answer My Evangelical Aunt's Most Recent Email!
January 2, 2012 at 3:44 pm
What I got from that is that she wasn't so much agreeing to disagree with me, but rather, her own god.
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RE: Help Me Answer My Evangelical Aunt's Most Recent Email!
January 2, 2012 at 3:49 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 2:52 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: (January 2, 2012 at 2:16 pm)aleialoura Wrote: I've been meaning to post an update, because I did reply. I decided to only reply with the bible verses that revj put in his suggestion about how Jesus said you're not supposed to flaunt your prayers.
That's literally all I put in the reply. I thought that anything I said probably wouldn't matter, but surely she cared what Jesus had to say since she loves him so much, and all.
Here is the reply she sent to that:
Alei's Aunt Wrote:I'm sorry, but I am afraid that we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. When Jesus said those things it was intended for a world where everyone believed in him like they did back then, not for the world we live in now, when everyone doesn't but needs to. I love you!
That's a very interesting response.
I'd love to ask her just what other parts of the bible I can pick and choose to ignore.
I KNOW! How about the WHOLE FUCKING THING?
Next time just bring a copy of the bible with you, and show that verse to your aunt. If she says "we dont have to follow that rule"
Says "I agree" and then rip that page out of the bible, ball it up and toss it on the ground.
Then flip over to the dietary laws in the old testament and ask her if she eats shell fish, or does she agree with God that its an abomination.
If she says "the new testament says other wise" then say "I agree" and rip that page out of the bible, ball it up and toss it on the ground.
You could pretty much do that all day.
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RE: Help Me Answer My Evangelical Aunt's Most Recent Email!
January 2, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Well, I suppose that puts her a step above the vast majority of the religious nutjobs that come through here.
(IE Biblical literalists).
Gotta give her credit for that I suppose.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
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RE: Help Me Answer My Evangelical Aunt's Most Recent Email!
January 2, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Never underestimate the ability of Christians to believe that the plain and obvious meaning of a bible verse is the exact opposite of what it really means.
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RE: Help Me Answer My Evangelical Aunt's Most Recent Email!
January 2, 2012 at 3:58 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 3:49 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Next time just bring a copy of the bible with you, and show that verse to your aunt. If she says "we dont have to follow that rule"
Says "I agree" and then rip that page out of the bible, ball it up and toss it on the ground.
Then flip over to the dietary laws in the old testament and ask her if she eats shell fish, or does she agree with God that its an abomination.
If she says "the new testament says other wise" then say "I agree" and rip that page out of the bible, ball it up and toss it on the ground.
You could pretty much do that all day.
Perfect!
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RE: Help Me Answer My Evangelical Aunt's Most Recent Email!
January 2, 2012 at 5:16 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 3:49 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Next time just bring a copy of the bible with you, and show that verse to your aunt. If she says "we dont have to follow that rule"
Says "I agree" and then rip that page out of the bible, ball it up and toss it on the ground.
Then flip over to the dietary laws in the old testament and ask her if she eats shell fish, or does she agree with God that its an abomination.
If she says "the new testament says other wise" then say "I agree" and rip that page out of the bible, ball it up and toss it on the ground.
You could pretty much do that all day.
If she says "the new testament says other wise" then say "I agree", burn the old testament, and then say "OK, let's look at the New Testament now...".
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RE: Help Me Answer My Evangelical Aunt's Most Recent Email!
January 2, 2012 at 5:16 pm
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2012 at 5:18 pm by reverendjeremiah.)
The true funny part is that i learned that trick from a Southern Baptist Pastor. He sat us down as a teen group with the purpose of teaching us to be 100% fundamentalists to follow EVERYTHING in the bible. He opened up the book and said "thou shalt not covet...well, I want to covet, so I dont need this" and he ripped the page out. The real believers in the group gasped. I just sat and watched in disbelief as the preacher tore page after page out of the bible. It was the first time a preacher had EVER reached me in such a profound way.
His argument was FOR the bible. That if you arent following the bible word for word, you may as well be tearing the pages out of it.
His demonstration impressed me. In fact, I would gladly point back to that very day as the beginning of my transformation to atheism. I read the entire bible privately, page for page, again after that demonstration (I had already gone through the entire bible once in bible study and found much of it to be pompous tomfoolery). I realized that if I were to rip out the pages that I didnt agree with, then I would not have much of a book left. I became an agnostic, and stayed one for a few years.
A southern baptist preacher, on accident, and in the name of promoting fundamentalism, started me down the road to Atheism.
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RE: Help Me Answer My Evangelical Aunt's Most Recent Email!
January 2, 2012 at 5:25 pm
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2012 at 5:30 pm by Jackalope.)
(January 2, 2012 at 5:16 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: His argument was FOR the bible. That if you arent following the bible word for word, you may as well be tearing the pages out of it.
You know, he's right. I've got work to do!
(January 2, 2012 at 5:16 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: A southern baptist preacher, on accident, and in the name of promoting fundamentalism, started me down the road to Atheism.
Coincidentally, it was the zeal of fundy Baptists that also turned me away from Christianity. The words and actions of every fundy I've encountered since then have only served to reinforce that they're batshit nuts.
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RE: Help Me Answer My Evangelical Aunt's Most Recent Email!
January 10, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Get a fucking load of this!!!
alei's crazy fucking aunt Wrote:Leigh, we are on 2 different planes when it comes to these issues and that's ok! So futile to continue to discuss them so let's agree to keep our conversation on other things. How about it? I love you and care about you and your family. Just for the record you should know that many of the things you say to me are extremely hurtful. I have to tell you that I am not so sure that you can claim to love me or anyone since I dont really believe you love yourself... and that makes me sad. God is love and you dont believe in Him.
This was after I gave her a clear representation of myself, and why it didn't matter what she said to me, I was not going to believe in any gods, much less her god, without any evidence.
Classic attempt at manipulation.
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