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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 12, 2012 at 3:53 pm
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(February 12, 2012 at 3:43 am)chipan Wrote: true, however the fact that they didn't use the word hell does not mean it did not exist.
I concede the point, that a word is or isn't used in the bible is no indicator of whether or not it (what the word is or isn't referencing) exists. Which is exactly why I don't believe in your fairy tales to begin with.
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 12, 2012 at 4:13 pm
(February 12, 2012 at 3:47 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: (February 11, 2012 at 9:58 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: So I have an interest in trying to invoke "spirits" via thought-forms in this way. I confess that I haven't succeeded yet. Maybe it requires a brain that is on the edge of schizophrenia?
Maybe this explains why for some people the concept of 'spirits' seem far more real than for other people.
As much as a spiritual essence to reality interests me, I must confess that I haven't yet been able to invoke a convincingly 'independent spirit'.
Maybe one day it'll occur to you that spirits aren't real and that's why you can't invoke one. I live in hope.
Well, I don't know. According to secular atheist they are real. At least in the context of being 'thought-forms' which was the context I was addressing.
After all, this is precisely the explanation that secular atheists require that I am. Therefore I should be able to call up a spirit as a thought-form that is at least as real as me, even whilst keeping within secular atheistic views.
In other words, if the secular atheists are right, then I should be able to invoke spirits as thought-forms. And they should be at least as real as me.
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm
I am a secular atheist and I don't believe spirits are real, so there. Nor do I believe you can invoke something that is made up, obviously.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 12, 2012 at 4:33 pm
(February 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: I am a secular atheist and I don't believe spirits are real, so there. Nor do I believe you can invoke something that is made up, obviously.
Made up?
Made up of what?
According to the secular picture you are just a made-up illusion of a biological computer (i.e. your own brain)
All, I'm saying is that if your brain can "make you up", why couldn't it also "make-up" additional characters?
And if it did, why would those additional characters not be any more 'valid' than you?
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 12, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I only got halfway through reading that and my eyeballs burst.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm
(February 12, 2012 at 4:35 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: I only got halfway through reading that and my eyeballs burst.
I don't blame them. 
These are hard issues to contemplate for sure.
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 12, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Quote:All, I'm saying is that if your brain can "make you up", why couldn't it also "make-up" additional characters?
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 12, 2012 at 7:09 pm
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RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 12, 2012 at 9:04 pm
(February 12, 2012 at 7:09 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: Statistics show the rate of dissociative identity disorder is .01% to 1% of the general population. Still, more than 1/3 of people say they feel as if they're watching themselves in a movie at times, and 7% percent of the population may have undiagnosed dissociative disorder.
(Wow! 33% of people feel as if they are watching themselves in a movie?)
That's pretty amazing. It's almost hard to claim that it's a 'disorder' if so many people are doing it.
The vast majority of the 1/3 of people who "feel as though they are watching themselves in a movie at times" (emphasis added) don't meet the clinical criteria for DID. It's considered normal for people to exhibit dissociative symptoms at times (the same applies for symptoms of other disorders as well). If you don't meet the diagnostic criteria, you don't get the diagnosis. Absent other clinically significant indicators, those 1/3 do not meet the criteria.
I'd go so far as to guess that the vast majority of people do at times exhibit symptoms of some disorder or another, without meeting clinical criteria (and in most cases, not even coming close). This doesn't mean that people who do meet the criteria aren't disordered.
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