Prayer?

[downbeatplumb]

This life is a curse or rather plagued with curses. It is the closest thing to a satan run realm there is. Only those who Fear the comming judgement see death as the curse.

Ah Drich you are a laugh riot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO3w9KbhV...ure=fvwrel

[Drich]

What a bull shit response. Jesus didn't put a disclaimer on his statement and since your 'word of god' is flawless, we can assume that there is no mistaking what he meant since it MUST be word for word from his very mouth. Lets try this again ...

Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

What everyone else seems to get but you still do not is in Luke 11 and again in Mat 6 Christ gives us an outline in how we should pray or rather What You Should Ask In Prayer, and does Not open the Floor for prayer to be a Wishing Cermony.

Yes Christ says ask anything you want in Prayer But at the same time Here is what a Prayer looks like. And it doesn't look like a free for all. It is a way for you to square yourself with His will not change his will to match yours.

I

knows MANY devout christians who begged god on their knees with tears in their eyes to save their loved ones. They were (and somehow still are) TRUE believers. None the less, they did not receive what they asked for.

Again, what they were doing is petitioning God and not praying.(nothing wrong with that but it is not prayer) Christ gave us a model of prayer and 95% of it is about God's will being done, what we are allowed to ask for are our daily needs. that's it. That is what a prayer looks like. That is what Christ promises will be answered. If one learns to ask for what God wants us to have then we will have in abundance. However if one simply wants to name and claim what he wants then he will be doing that for some time.

So either you're a liar or your god is a liar. Which is it?
Get ready for a serious steaming pile of apologist's bull shit.

There is a third option I do not think you have considered. You just do not understand the difference between formal Prayer,(The Prayer Christ told us how to pray,) and what your 'experiences' has defined prayer to be. Simply saying: "Dear Lord" in the beginning, then dumping your wish list, and ending with "Amen" DOES NOT a Prayer Make. Again, look to Christ's Model of Prayer to define what a prayer should look like. If it does not follow this model then it is not a prayer.

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So, simple faith? Or do you have some sort of 'proof?'

Oh, I thought you were asking for his motive.

If God made everything, he made both cancer and the five-year old children who are tragically susceptible to it, and if God is all-knowing, he must have been aware of this and made this lethal compatibility intentionally. So, it's kind of hard to blame anything else for little Jimmy's leukemia, even if God isn't pointing his finger and giving kids the cancer directly.

so if you were a gun manufacture you are responsiable for all murder and crimes committed with a gun of your design? Or are those crimes a product of free will and your gun becomes a tool for someone to excersize their own will over another.

If you have a problem with guns then replace with a hammer or a car or medicine, or anything else used is such away to excersize one person's will over another. The Gun is a tool, but because of we live in a Realm apart from the will of God, we have now become responsiable for managing everything in that realm.

Cancer still exists because man has fallen short of his responsiablity to rule this world. Cancer and bad things like it are the result of living outside of God's protection or plan. Cancer and all other bad things can go away, but you are going to have to trade your ablity to sin for it. rather you will have to trade 'free will' inorder to live under God's rule. so you decide. If you want to rid the world of Cancer then learn to pray "God's will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven." if you want to live for your self and go on blaming God because you do not want to yield to Him, then you are free to do that as well. You have that 'choice.'

[Faith No More]

so if you were a gun manufacture you are responsiable for all murder and crimes committed with a gun of your design? Or are those crimes a product of free will and your gun becomes a tool for someone to excersize their own will over another.

A terrible analogy. A better one would be if you handed someone a gun, knew they would be irresponsible with it, were capable of stopping them, but just sat there as they went on a killing spree, would you have any culpibility in the situation? You're damn right, and that's what your god does.

[pgrimes15]

National average life expectancy for :-

USA (78% Christian) - 78.2 years

Japan (84% Shinto/Buddhist) - 82.6 years

All figures from Wiki.

Regards

Grimesy

What is the life expectancy of a Japaneese christian and a Shinto/buddhist who lives in America?
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Why does a Christian who has an eternity planned out with the God He loves with all of His being want to be here in this life any longer than He needs to be?
This life is a curse or rather plagued with curses. It is the closest thing to a satan run realm there is. Only those who Fear the comming judgement see death as the curse.

So if christians don't live so long it is because they are yearning to be with their lord, and don't care to be in this world.
But if they live longer (than average) it is because of the glory of Jesus keeping them healthy.

Isn't that having your cake and eating it ?

Regards

Grimesy

[Lion IRC]

Worrying about tomorrow (Luke 12:29) causes stress. Stress causes disease.
Drich is pointing out that Christians have a win/win scenario.

[Cyberman]

Why does a Christian who has an eternity planned out with the God He loves with all of His being want to be here in this life any longer than He needs to be?
This life is a curse or rather plagued with curses. It is the closest thing to a satan run realm there is. Only those who Fear the comming judgement see death as the curse.

What a pathetically egotistical attitude to the existence that you believe your creator gave you. Out of all the thousands of sperm that were denied the chance of occupying your position in space and time, the winner grew up to be an ungrateful arsehole? If and when you stand before your god and it turns out to be me, I'd tell you exactly where you can go and what you can to to yourself when you got there.

So in that spirit I turn your question back upon you: why aren't you in a hurry to be with the god you love with all your being? Do you look both ways when crossing the street?

[Lion IRC]

I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse: therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed; (Deuteronomy 30:19)

[Cyberman]

Better tell Drich that. They're his (and clearly your) rules, not mine.

[Erinome]

I just petitioned my God, Dave Chappelle. I asked him to please send me 5 grams of ghetto green, and promised that in return I would make an offering of $20. Just 30 minutes after he spoke to me, saying I'd have it in 15 minutes, I was holding a plastic baggy full of some shit that made me not give a single fuck about the differences between praying, chanting, petitioning, and mentally jerking off.

Praise Dave! Fuck all your worthless gods!

[Deicide73]

Wow that's pretty sad that you think life on this planet is a curse. If you've had such a shitty existence, why don't you try and change it inside of wishing that this world would end.