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When you prayed did it ever work?
#41
RE: When you prayed did it ever work?
(October 31, 2012 at 12:53 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(October 31, 2012 at 8:15 am)DoubtVsFaith Wrote: What I have prayed for never worked. I was merely lucky that after both occasions on which I prayed I got what I prayed for.
Now that's funny Big Grin

Good to see you too.
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#42
RE: When you prayed did it ever work?
(October 31, 2012 at 9:51 am)Drich Wrote:
(October 31, 2012 at 12:44 am)Stimbo Wrote: Can we take it then that the answer's no, Drich?

[/mischievous]

All of my prayers have been answered and about 75% of my petitions or wishes have been too. If I get a 'No' I understand why.
You obviously haven't been praying for an end to the violence and suffering in Syria. If you really had such a success rate you ought to be praying for more important stuff than you apparently are.

Although I think that the real answer is that, like so many Christians, you are an obvious liar.
blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” – John 20:26-29
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#43
Re: RE: When you prayed did it ever work?
(October 31, 2012 at 5:17 am)FallentoReason Wrote:
(October 31, 2012 at 4:38 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It never fails to amuse me... the assumption that God must answer prayer and with the answer you want, or prayer failed.

Very scientific.
I have to admit, "God" is very consistent. Just like the Gospels, the only testimonies I've got of healings through prayer after 5 years at a Pentecostal church are through hearsay. I never once saw even the common cold get healed before me.

Me neither. But then how would you see such a thing? I believe such a thing has never been proved. Should I say it again? - If it could be proved, that would be contrary to our understanding of the Xtian God. So yeah, there's no win for you there.

So your desire at church was unbiblical.

(October 31, 2012 at 5:21 am)Stimbo Wrote: So according to the conditions inferred from Fr00d, prayer is untestable.

Very scientific.

Spot on Stimbo
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#44
RE: When you prayed did it ever work?
So if there's evidence it's not biblical? Without evidence why would you believe that the bible is true then? My only guess would be that if your justification isn't evidential it must be pragmatic.
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#45
RE: When you prayed did it ever work?
Because they are morons frankly
blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” – John 20:26-29
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#46
Re: RE: When you prayed did it ever work?
(October 31, 2012 at 1:09 pm)DoubtVsFaith Wrote: So if there's evidence it's not biblical? Without evidence why would you believe that the bible is true then?

You have enough information there to work it out evie.
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#47
RE: When you prayed did it ever work?
(October 31, 2012 at 11:47 am)Stimbo Wrote: That being the case, what's with all the praying for the sick that we get so often, most recently here on this very board? What's that all about?

Again petition is not a sin. We do it because it makes us and other feel better, and it some times works. Even so, it's still not actual prayer. Prayer is not meant to change God's mind, it is meant to change ours. In that we are to seek and accept God's will be done.

(October 31, 2012 at 11:48 am)DoubtVsFaith Wrote:
(October 31, 2012 at 11:43 am)Drich Wrote: [...]The problem with what most of you understand to be prayer isn't prayer at all.

That was my entire point. What qualifies as true prayer?

Christ gives an example of what a prayer is in beginning of Luke 11.
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#48
RE: When you prayed did it ever work?
If by sometimes you mean "never", rgr.
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#49
RE: When you prayed did it ever work?
(October 31, 2012 at 11:52 am)Cinjin Wrote:
(October 31, 2012 at 12:37 am)Drich Wrote: Thier is a difference between petition (asking God for stuff or favors/making wishes) and prayer as demonstrated by Christ Himself..

Even your fucking jesus didn't put that disclaimer on prayer. Only a filthy apologist would make that excuse.
Some idiot (who pretended that he was around to hear Jesus say this) Wrote:"WHATEVER you ask in my name."

Context, Context, Context.

John 14:
12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask[c] anything in My name, I will do it.

Healed anyone recently? Walked on water, ever? No?!?! you know who did? The apstoles did, and they just happened to be the same group of men Christ was speaking to in John 14:12-14 Which would indicate to any resonable person that Christ was giving this uncondition unlimited access to his cloest followers, and not as a general promise to whomever prays 'in Jesus name.'

(October 31, 2012 at 11:54 am)Fryslân Wrote:
(October 31, 2012 at 9:51 am)Drich Wrote: All of my prayers have been answered and about 75% of my petitions or wishes have been too. If I get a 'No' I understand why.

How? How do you know how much has been answered? Do you write some of it down?

I have a very short list. I do not ask for things in general. I ask for contentment in whatever my lot. When something does come up it's usally answered.
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#50
RE: When you prayed did it ever work?
I might try that. You know, ask for contentment after a meal, that sort of thing. Then when something comes up, it'll be answered.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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