When you prayed did it ever work?

[Edwardo Piet]

I'm not expecting a philosophical insight, just philosophical musings. The former I can't really think of having () but the latter I have all the time.

[ronedee]

WoW! All the anger! It's all about "ME"....And what "I" expect from God! He didn't answer that time "I" prayed, on my knees when "I" was 5 or 7...or...uh... oh....when bullies pantsed me...or when my mommy was dying of cancer!

Everyone acts as though God owes them something! He's rolling around on a cloud doubled over in laughter!

He already gave us the greatest gift of all! LIFE........and the opportunity to LIVE FOREVER!!

HERE'S A CLUE: all we need do is BELIEVE! Not only for 3 visits to church 20 years ago...but everyday, every way! We also need to have the trusting heart of a child.

What dad would hold anything back from his totally committed loving, trusting child? Or... in contrast: his cold, calculating, uncommitted, loathing, cursing offspring? Huh?!

It's time to take a look at our hardened hearts...because that is the real issue here. Without Love for God [and each other] we don't stand a chance...in this world, or any other!

I would take the several hours necessary to tell you about all the miracles God has done for me and the loving people I know...if I thought it would be met with respect and belief! But sadly I know better.

"At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: "O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike."

[Strongbad]

HERE'S A CLUE: all we need do is BELIEVE! Not only for 3 visits to church 20 years ago...but everyday, every way! We also need to have the trusting heart of a child.

Wow! So "all" we need to do is believe in your god all day, every day, in every way, while at the same time having the trusting "heart" (by this of course you mean "mind") of a child? You are PATHETIC.

I would take the several hours necessary to tell you about all the miracles God has done for me and the loving people I know...if I thought it would be met with respect and belief! But sadly I know better.

You mean you could tell us a bunch of anecdotal stories about coincidence and fortunate happenstance that in your deluded "heart" are attributable to your god? Please spare us.

[KichigaiNeko]

Ah... I wondered why I put you on ignore ronedee

[Faith No More]

We also need to have the trusting heart of a child.

I think you mean the brain of a child.

[Cyberman]

HERE'S A CLUE: all we need do is BELIEVE!

Fine, you do that. Just keep me and mine out of it, that's all I ask.

[pocaracas]

You know? I was going to ignore this, but WTH?!

He already gave us the greatest gift of all! LIFE........and the opportunity to LIVE FOREVER!!

How do you know that?
Did you read it of a 2000 year old book?
What makes you trust that book?
Clearly, there are people who don't trust it. Have you ever considered these may be on to something?

HERE'S A CLUE: all we need do is BELIEVE! Not only for 3 visits to church 20 years ago...but everyday, every way! We also need to have the trusting heart of a child.

How do you know that?
Did you read it of a 2000 year old book?

You see where this is going?

What dad would hold anything back from his totally committed loving, trusting child? Or... in contrast: his cold, calculating, uncommitted, loathing, cursing offspring? Huh?!

False comparison is.... FALSE!
Why do you compare a god to a parent?
Did you read it of a 2000 year old book?

It's time to take a look at our hardened hearts...because that is the real issue here. Without Love for God [and each other] we don't stand a chance...in this world, or any other!

How do you know that?
This world managed to work quite well without humans for millions and millions of years. Humans came in and managed to stay alive without gods. In 1500, the europeans "discovered" Brazil. People were already settled there. They were natives... and, most notably, they were atheists. They had no concept of god. And yet, they survived and thrived until 1500CE! Still think people don't stand a chance on their own?

I would take the several hours necessary to tell you about all the miracles God has done for me and the loving people I know...if I thought it would be met with respect and belief! But sadly I know better.

Any miracle description you provide will be met with skepticism.
If it's anything like Drich's dream, it will be met with "it's just a dream".
If it's some cancer that went away after the doctor saying the person had a few months to live, it will be met with "that person falls on the tail of the distribution that doctors use to measure how long patients have to live, on average".
If you present a hallucination, it will be met with "psychotic episode".
etc...

Ultimately, they all derive from your indoctrination, even if it wasn't a standard active indoctrination.

Imagine, you had been born in a Hindu area of the globe. All your miracles would have an explanation stemming from Hindu mythology.
The same goes had you been indoctrinated in another religious view.
And, had you been born in a completely atheist upbringing, you'd see things skeptically as well.

Now tell me how wrong I am.

[Kousbroek]

I would take the several hours necessary to tell you about all the miracles God has done for me and the loving people I know...if I thought it would be met with respect and belief! But sadly I know better.

..... That coming from a person who has this as an avatar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76_qL6fiyDw


And you wonder where the anger comes from ? ... Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear .....

[Darkstar]

WoW! All the anger! It's all about "ME"....And what "I" expect from God! He didn't answer that time "I" prayed, on my knees when "I" was 5 or 7...or...uh... oh....when bullies pantsed me...or when my mommy was dying of cancer!

Everyone acts as though God owes them something! He's rolling around on a cloud doubled over in laughter!

Few people think god owes them something. Jesus, said that prayer would be answered, so it reasonably should be.

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Matthew 21:21-22

21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”

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He already gave us the greatest gift of all! LIFE(to Adam and Eve only, the rest was procreation)........and the opportunity to LIVE BURN FOREVER!!

Fixed.

HERE'S A CLUE: all we need do is BELIEVE! Not only for 3 visits to church 20 years ago...but everyday, every way! We also need to have the trusting heart of a child.

What dad would hold anything back from his totally committed loving, trusting child? Or... in contrast: his cold, calculating, uncommitted, loathing, cursing offspring? Huh?!

It's time to take a look at our hardened hearts...because that is the real issue here. Without Love for God [and each other] we don't stand a chance...in this world, or any other!

Wow that...is actually slightly accurate (presuming god exists). Too bad believers don't get their moms miraculously cured of cancer just by asking, either. Note, slightly. What dod tries to hide his own existence, and still demands love in messages delivered by a third party?

I would take the several hours necessary to tell you about all the miracles God has done for me and the loving people I know...if I thought it would be met with respect and belief! But sadly I know better.

"At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: "O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike."

Do you know what you just did there? Only unwise people will find 'god'? Wow...

[ronedee]

"At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: "O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike."

Do you know what you just did there? Only unwise people will find 'god'? Wow...

I believe the prayer says: "those who think themselves wise...". which you and everyone else seems to think!

We'll "ALL" know in the end...won't we?