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RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
November 11, 2012 at 5:16 pm
(November 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(November 11, 2012 at 11:46 am)Utracia Wrote: Considering the Israelites did just this in their genocidal sweep through Canaan we all know the answer he doesn't need to admit it.
There was no genocidal sweep through Canaan. Which raises the intriguing and troubling question of the mental health of the people who later invented such a blood-thirsty story and attributed it to their fucking "god."
No but plenty of people think the Bible as literally true so to them this did happen. Which then makes it odd when they try to claim at the same time that this is a loving God who would never do anything so naughty as wiping out entire civilizations. Would never happen, nope. It is they who have to somehow get through this contradiction.
RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
November 12, 2012 at 1:51 am
(November 11, 2012 at 5:16 pm)Utracia Wrote: Which then makes it odd when they try to claim at the same time that this is a loving God who would never do anything so naughty as wiping out entire civilizations. Would never happen, nope. It is they who have to somehow get through this contradiction.
Oh no, silly. You see, everyone in those civilizations was evil in every way imaginable. Why else would god's chosen people butcher them on command and...rape......little girls
Numbers 31:7-17
7 They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
November 12, 2012 at 6:51 am
(November 8, 2012 at 12:48 pm)John V Wrote: Is it sinful for people to carry out capital punishment ordered by god?
God doesn't single people out to be killed by Christians. Nor did he do it with Jews. He ordered the conquering of lands, which involved the slaying of peoples (such as the Canaanites), but never individuals. If God wants them dead then typically he does it himself.
Christians don't have capital punishment, they're a part of the Old Covenant made with Moses, a yoke which Peter notes the Jews had been unable to bare.
RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
November 12, 2012 at 10:03 am (This post was last modified: November 12, 2012 at 10:04 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Right right, gods a wholesaler not a nickel and dimer when it comes to the killin business, I get it. By the by, perhaps you should explain that capital punishment bit to Texans?
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RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
November 12, 2012 at 11:11 am (This post was last modified: November 12, 2012 at 11:16 am by John V.)
(November 12, 2012 at 1:51 am)Darkstar Wrote: Oh no, silly. You see, everyone in those civilizations was evil in every way imaginable. Why else would god's chosen people butcher them on command and...rape......little girls
You're incorrectly reading rape into it. The law regulated this. After a 30 day waiting period, the woman was married to the man and gained full rights under the law. In an era of arranged marriages, women frequently didn't know their intended husband even that long before marriage.
(November 12, 2012 at 6:51 am)Daniel Wrote: God doesn't single people out to be killed by Christians. Nor did he do it with Jews. He ordered the conquering of lands, which involved the slaying of peoples (such as the Canaanites), but never individuals.
The law says that people should be killed for certain offenses. you quoted one such instance yourself. Would such killing be sinful? You're still dodging the question.
RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
November 12, 2012 at 12:31 pm
(November 12, 2012 at 11:11 am)John V Wrote:
(November 12, 2012 at 1:51 am)Darkstar Wrote: Oh no, silly. You see, everyone in those civilizations was evil in every way imaginable. Why else would god's chosen people butcher them on command and...rape......little girls
You're incorrectly reading rape into it. The law regulated this. After a 30 day waiting period, the woman was married to the man and gained full rights under the law. In an era of arranged marriages, women frequently didn't know their intended husband even that long before marriage.
(November 12, 2012 at 6:51 am)Daniel Wrote: God doesn't single people out to be killed by Christians. Nor did he do it with Jews. He ordered the conquering of lands, which involved the slaying of peoples (such as the Canaanites), but never individuals.
The law says that people should be killed for certain offenses. you quoted one such instance yourself. Would such killing be sinful? You're still dodging the question.
Are you really going to use the "it was legal at the time so it was okay" tactic? I suppose it is one way to excuse slaughtering these young women's families and then forcibly marrying them to their conquerors.
Your God has messed up priorities as to what is sinful and what the punishment for that sin should be.
RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
November 12, 2012 at 1:44 pm
(November 12, 2012 at 12:31 pm)Utracia Wrote: Are you really going to use the "it was legal at the time so it was okay" tactic? I suppose it is one way to excuse slaughtering these young women's families and then forcibly marrying them to their conquerors.
I'm not using any tactic at all. I'm noting that it's incorrect to read battlefield rape into the passage as most atheists do.
RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
November 12, 2012 at 3:15 pm (This post was last modified: November 12, 2012 at 3:19 pm by Darkstar.)
(November 12, 2012 at 1:44 pm)John V Wrote: I'm not using any tactic at all. I'm noting that it's incorrect to read battlefield rape into the passage as most atheists do.
Actually, I never said there was battlefield rape. You said they were kidnapped and forcibly married to their conquerers. I agree with that. After which, of course, they were expected to submit to them sexually, so yeah, they got raped after the battle. It wasn't defined as rape at the time, but it would be now.
John V Wrote:Is it sinful for people to carry out capital punishment ordered by god?
Depends on whether or not it would be wrong if a human ordered it.
Tell me, is this
Numbers 15:32-36 The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death
32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses.
