Colorado parents of transgender 1st-grader file complaint over restroom ban

[Rev. Rye]

Although later on I voted for Nixon twice which should have been a clue.

You mean you were part of Nixon's "Silent Majority?"

[Angrboda]

When I was six I wasn't concerned with the idea that I should have a twat instead of a pecker. I didn't even know what a twat was.

Although later on I voted for Nixon twice which should have been a clue.

I was too young to vote, but I was an ardent Nixon supporter in '72.


In my own defense, I was rather traumatized by the Wallace assassination attempt. Perhaps I wasn't in my right mind. (I cried for hours that night. Oh god, I was so sad.)

[Minimalist]

In fairness the republican party then was not the bunch of fascistic shitballs it is today. Nixon...and Eisenhower...would have been run out of the GOP by these republibertarianeo-conazis calling the shots now.

[Shell B]

Well, I hate to be the stick in the mud, but gender is not arbitrary by a long shot. Perhaps I am being a stickler for the definition of the word arbitrary, but I think we all know there are differences between male and female. I have to agree with those here who say that is awfully young to be concerned about gender. Do I care overly much how the child came to be confused or sure about his or her gender? Nope. It's mostly irrelevant. What is relevant is that boy means penis and girl means vagina in terms of a bathroom. I see a lot of, "Let her use whatever bathroom she likes. They're just kids. No harm." Well, you could be right, but I do not see a single shit given for the long term. What happens when said kids are not little anymore? Boy, girl, banana, I don't give a shit. I don't want a vagina in my teen nephew's bathroom or a penis in my teen niece's bathroom. I give not a single shit if it is attached to a dress wearer or a pants wearer or a tree. Unisex bathrooms? Seriously. Adults do not even have those. I would be extraordinarily uncomfortable if I had to change a tampon in a unisex bathroom or were alone with a strange man in a bathroom. Now, back to the point of this child, she has a penis and will presumably continue to have one until she is an adult. Since "oh, just let them do it" is not going to work in a teen restroom, the child should be assimilated to reality as soon as possible. She has to use the boy's room or perhaps the nurse's office. C'est la vie. I personally think it would be more harmful to cater to it now and have reality slap her in the face later than to just explain the difficulties to her right away.

[Aractus]

As for the article, even if a 6 year old has a gender identity, they don't have the proper ability to express it. The rules are the rules. Some kooky parents don't get to change them.

Exactly. And going to the boy's toilet will either have the effect of helping to correct the child's gender identity - or - the child will keep their existing gender identity, but in either case it won't cause harm to the child.

[Ryantology]

I would like to take the opportunity to raise a point which is tangentially related to this topic:

The only reason this is an issue is because we have gender-separate restrooms in public places. Though there are reasons for that, they are reasons which would largely be invalidated if all public toilets were enclosed by stalls.

Should public restrooms be integrated?

[Aractus]

No.

[Question Mark]

Your reasoning being?

[John V]

What is relevant is that boy means penis and girl means vagina in terms of a bathroom. I see a lot of, "Let her use whatever bathroom she likes. They're just kids. No harm." Well, you could be right, but I do not see a single shit given for the long term. What happens when said kids are not little anymore? Boy, girl, banana, I don't give a shit. I don't want a vagina in my teen nephew's bathroom or a penis in my teen niece's bathroom. I give not a single shit if it is attached to a dress wearer or a pants wearer or a tree. Unisex bathrooms? Seriously. Adults do not even have those. I would be extraordinarily uncomfortable if I had to change a tampon in a unisex bathroom or were alone with a strange man in a bathroom.

Would you be comfortable if it were TJ or VLB in the bathroom with you, or rather a similar stranger?

[Whateverist]

What the hell did I just read?

Shell using tampons. Apo crying over Wallace. Min voting for Nixon (twice). I've got to sit down.

Unisex bathrooms can mean a one seater with a locking door. But I did once use a unisex bathroom in a very old Japanese park near Kyoto. So strange. Large open room with no stalls or dividers at all. Just like being in an elevator. Everyone looks up, smiles affably and goes on about their business. If I hadn't been desperate I could never have done it but I survived.

Nixon was a pretty sharp cookie who I voted against in 72. Wallace was a son of a bitch. But what the hell you doing with a tampon, Shell? Wait a minute. Let me sit down again. Okay, ready.