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Why do christians ever convert to islam?
#31
RE: Why do christians ever convert to islam?
(March 5, 2013 at 3:37 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I'll give you a full logical proof of Islam.

Just wondering how you would respond to my analysis of the selling points of Islam and the critical weaknesses your marketing department is faced with.

At the end of the day, your religion is summed up in seven words.
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#32
RE: Why do christians ever convert to islam?
(March 5, 2013 at 8:37 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Health care insurance is forbidden in Islam!

Proof in either Quran or Sunnah?
Quote:People should pay for the service

Proof in either Quran or Sunnah?
Quote:If they cannot the government should support them from Zakat
(All Muslim are ordered to pay 2.5% of their wealth every year for charity)

Proof from Quran or Sunnah?

Quote:if the government is rich enough they can pay for part or the full service (but it is not mandatory)

Proof from Quran and Sunnah?

Quote:It is normally 40 Lashes

Why is it compared to drinking alcohol? Why isn't treat distinctly when the situation of selling drugs is different?

Quote:Put if it is on a very large scale, punishments can go up to execution

Proof in Quran and Sunnah?

Quote:it is left for the judge depending on the harm done

Yet Islam says it covers all basis.
Quote:
Quote:Traffic rules - what should be the punishment for breaking traffic rules? What traffic rules should exist?
Left for the ruling system to put rules

Islam set up some general rules (like protect humans, properties, honor, etc.)
then put some exceptions or specific rules for certain issues

If a new issue is not in the specific rules it must fell below the general rules
That is why Islam covers everything

What general rule applies to making traffic rules? It's all human reasoning. The punishments applied to it is also human reasoning.

It's not through revelation.
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#33
RE: Why do christians ever convert to islam?
In search of fun and excitement.....

No, no probably not.
I don't know what inflates a delusional bubble,
Can't guess what would make one jump to another.
Though you know, the women folk around here need putting in place.
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#34
RE: Why do christians ever convert to islam?
(March 5, 2013 at 10:57 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(March 5, 2013 at 8:37 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Health care insurance is forbidden in Islam!
Proof in either Quran or Sunnah?
Quote:People should pay for the service
Proof in either Quran or Sunnah?
Quote:If they cannot the government should support them from Zakat
(All Muslim are ordered to pay 2.5% of their wealth every year for charity)

Proof from Quran or Sunnah?

Quote:if the government is rich enough they can pay for part or the full service (but it is not mandatory)

Proof from Quran and Sunnah?
Islam set rules to apply rules to similar positions/issues
Insurance is like Gambling
You put a $100 and you man get $100,000 or nothing
the event to select the winner is just different
Sickness, dice, a No. there is no difference
Same for car insurance and others
If you are a rich person and you made an accident with your car, why anybody should pay to fix it???

Quote:What general rule applies to making traffic rules? It's all human reasoning. The punishments applied to it is also human reasoning.

It's not through revelation.
Prophet Mohamed said: give the road and people in it, there rights
you should not harm yourself and others
Those kinds of rules apply in such situations

Islam gave enough regulation to cover anything in our life.
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#35
RE: Why do christians ever convert to islam?
(March 6, 2013 at 2:11 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Islam set rules to apply rules to similar positions/issues
Insurance is like Gambling
You put a $100 and you man get $100,000 or nothing
the event to select the winner is just different
Sickness, dice, a No. there is no difference
Same for car insurance and others
If you are a rich person and you made an accident with your car, why anybody should pay to fix it???

I disagree with your reasoning. Insurance is a pay in pool where those in need take out. You are a winner in both outcome positions, you win when you stay healthy and accident free and you win when you have money to pay for medical care or car repairs. Thusly you are not gambling in any sense because there is not a losing position.

Conversely, for the sour pusses, you lose on both positions as well, without accidents or sickness, you lose your money. With an accident or sickness, you lose your health or integrity of a possession. Again not a gamble.

With your thinking, buying a first aid kit is a gamble. If you don't use it you lose, if you cut a finger off, you win. A strange gamble indeed..
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#36
RE: Why do christians ever convert to islam?
Qiyas (comparison by similarity) - it's only Hanafis that believed in it. Everyone else disbelieved in it.
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#37
RE: Why do christians ever convert to islam?
(March 6, 2013 at 8:09 am)Brakeman Wrote: I disagree with your reasoning. Insurance is a pay in pool where those in need take out. You are a winner in both outcome positions, you win when you stay healthy and accident free and you win when you have money to pay for medical care or car repairs. Thusly you are not gambling in any sense because there is not a losing position.
What is the difference to gambling?
You will loose your money when you don't get the service?


Quote:With your thinking, buying a first aid kit is a gamble. If you don't use it you lose, if you cut a finger off, you win. A strange gamble indeed..
It is not a gable because I'll own what I bought

The problem about insurance, is the same like gambling, probability not effort
If you got sick and needed an operation for $100,000
Why people should pay for you, even if you are rick and can afford it?
Nobody wants to pay for you, it is the probability for them to have the same chance, it is exactly like gambling
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