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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
April 2, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Right, so, Loki.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
April 2, 2013 at 11:03 pm
(April 2, 2013 at 10:39 pm)jstrodel Wrote: You don't see the problem with justice punishing some people, but not punishing all people who deserve judgement?
It's not the greatest legal system in the world, it certainly has its flaws. And I don't like it when a bad guy gets away, but that's the way it is. But you are unable to just accept that concept. For you, the bad guys HAVE to be punished! There must be some judgment for them!
Well, you know what, there isn't. At least not like you think there is. Just accept it. It might sound a bit down, but it's the way things are.
Thinking that life is fair and everyone gets what they deserve is the mindset of a child.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
April 2, 2013 at 11:06 pm
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I haven't seen strodel reference anything that was fair, or even what anyone might deserve. I have seen strodel babble on about what he wants to happen, what he'd like to see done to someone - or their corpse, apparently. Pretty sick stuff.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
April 2, 2013 at 11:08 pm
(March 28, 2013 at 3:55 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Do people have a duty to obey all laws in all countries? What gives law moral legitimacy?
Break one and see what happens, strudel. The judge is not going to give a philosophical dissertation when he sentences your sorry ass to jail.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
April 2, 2013 at 11:09 pm
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(April 2, 2013 at 10:50 pm)jstrodel Wrote: The God who represents the fullness of life without pandering to mans carnal appetite fo cheap grace is the best God.
The God who identifies his merciful will with the weak and hurting and the oppressed is the best God.
Well, whatever one you think is best, justice in this world and justice in the next are two different questions.
From the Buddhist perspective, which I agree, unjust people are really hurting themselves the most, by their evil and lack of insight.
Here is three arguments that I would like you to consider against divine justice and for divine mercy/forgiveness:
Argument 1:
We and God should be happy when an evil persons leaves evil and become good.
This means wea and God should have hoped an evil person leaves evil and becomes good.
This means we and God should have good/compassionate will towards an evil person.
This means we and God should not wish eternal justice/evil upon a bad person ever.
Argument 2:
It is good to put ourselves in position of another, and ask what is the right thing to do with regards to myself?
If we were evil, should we want ourselves to be eternally punished or reformed and forgiven (even after death) ?
I believe it's the latter.
Therefore I believe we should want others to be forgiven and reformed after death.
Therefore the morality given by God implies he too should want others to be forgiven and reformed after death.
Argument 3:
God's love is greater then our love.
It is good to to try to as much as possible love others as you love yourself.
If you love yourself enough to never want to be eternally tortured no matter how evil you become, you should want the same for another person (ie. should love them the same way).
As God's love is greater then our love for ourselves, he would want us not to get eternally tortured as well.
Tell me what you think. And do you have any argument for implementing divine justice?
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
April 3, 2013 at 5:30 am
Apparently, god is both the cop who arrives too late to the scene, and the judge who pronounces judgment too late to be of any good to the wronged.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
April 3, 2013 at 9:16 am
@ Simon Moon
Oh wow! I had never thought of that before!!!
... Not ...
The people in hell aren't being tortured by God, they're torturing themselves and refuse to stop. These people lock themselves into hell, and God allows them to go. Otherwise, he's basically kidnapping.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
April 3, 2013 at 9:16 am
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Quote:The people in hell aren't being tortured by God, they're torturing themselves and refuse to stop. These people lock themselves into hell, and God allows them to go. Otherwise, he's basically kidnapping.
That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
April 3, 2013 at 9:21 am
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It's safe to say that I'll never find myself in that hell then - whether it exists or not, lol.
Imagining it gave me a giggle.
:Upon death finds himself in hell:
-"Um, nice place you got here, bye"
Casually strolls to the exit.
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RE: Biblical Inerrancy - mandatory to be Christian?
April 3, 2013 at 3:04 pm
God isn't there. He has nothing to do with what goes on in hell. Yet, there is evil. The only place it can come from are the people there.
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