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RE: Is researching into religion a waste of time?
May 21, 2013 at 8:50 am
(May 21, 2013 at 3:50 am)goodnews Wrote: Sir, my concern is not weather God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, as God is always write. Abraham Lincoln. Wow, Abraham Lincoln really was poorly educated huh?
OK, lemme try playing the quote game!
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RE: Is researching into religion a waste of time?
May 21, 2013 at 9:31 am
The thickness of the skull is strong in this one.
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If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Is researching into religion a waste of time?
May 21, 2013 at 10:17 am
It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Is researching into religion a waste of time?
May 22, 2013 at 7:37 am
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. Albert Einstein / Copyright Kevin Harris 1995
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RE: Is researching into religion a waste of time?
May 22, 2013 at 10:22 am
Kevin Harris has a copyright on something Albert Einstein once said?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: Is researching into religion a waste of time?
May 22, 2013 at 7:24 pm
(May 22, 2013 at 7:37 am)goodnews Wrote: My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. Albert Einstein / Copyright Kevin Harris 1995
What now, goodnews?
Sorry, liar: you don't get Einstein. We do.
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RE: Is researching into religion a waste of time?
May 23, 2013 at 4:33 am
I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details. p. 202
Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source... They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres. p214
In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say that there is no God, but what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views. p214
( The expanded Quotable Albert Einstein Princeton University Press, 2000 )
You call me a lier, all I have done is post a quote of Albert's in response, to another of his quotes ! I have not tried to lay claim to him, but you have, the irony is you are one of those fanatics who made him really angry, by quoting him to support your own intolerant views ! go figar
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RE: Is researching into religion a waste of time?
May 23, 2013 at 4:58 am
(May 23, 2013 at 4:33 am)goodnews Wrote: I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details. p. 202
Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source... They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres. p214
In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say that there is no God, but what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views. p214
( The expanded Quotable Albert Einstein Princeton University Press, 2000 )
You call me a lier, all I have done is post a quote of Albert's in response, to another of his quotes ! I have not tried to lay claim to him, but you have, the irony is you are one of those fanatics who made him really angry, by quoting him to support your own intolerant views ! go figar
First of all, genius: learn to spell.
Second of all, really? We're all supposed to believe that you were just quoting for funsies, just out of the blue in this thread, not responding to anyone in particular? That you weren't, in fact, posting in response to Faith No More, the subtext of which being that Einstein wasn't secular- as displayed quite wonderfully by FNM's quote- but was religious? That's not what you were doing? It's just a coincidence? If you weren't attempting to "lay claim," to him, then what were you hoping to accomplish? Was this, perhaps, your go at stripping away the pretense and just posting meaningless crap without any hope that it'll seem coherent, in that case?
Lies are frowned upon by your religion, goodnews. Or is lying for Jesus okay?
As to being a fanatic, yes: I am very much fanatical about calling out bullshit when I see it, and you sir, are an endless font. Keep up the good work, you'll see just how fervent I can get.
As to Einstein himself... well, views change over time; the letter I linked to was fairly close to the end of his life, and despite Einstein's well documented favor to Spinoza's god- a figurative one and not the christian one you hope to pin to him in all your dishonest glory- it's good to see that the guy grew up and really did see sense before he died.
Pity nobody can say the same about you, thus far.
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RE: Is researching into religion a waste of time?
May 23, 2013 at 4:59 am
I think you're taking the comments that Einstein said too literally to mean "your [personal] god".
Einstein, if he was 'religious', was a pantheist. He rejected the idea of a intervening god that controlled everything, and he certainlly rejected the idea of a god that answered prayers at sporting events or when people were sick.
http://www.pantheism.net/paul/history/einstein.htm for a few quotations.
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RE: Is researching into religion a waste of time?
May 23, 2013 at 5:24 am
Wriggle like the worm you are, all you want, it will not change the fact that in your attempt { not mine } to lay claim to Albert, you proceeded to fall flat on your face.
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