Homosexuality is a sin? Well, Xtians, what about these other 76 things?

[The Grand Nudger]

What if God can show you that you have in fact done things which you judge as wrong in others?

Then no one cares John, the sins of another do not excuse ones own, tq. You motherfuckers can never grasp this concept. It doesn't matter how many times it's explained, does it? Your god could detail, all day long, down to the minutia - all the ways that I have violated my own moral standard..and it won't mean a damned thing.

We don't let felons sit on the bench, you do..more power to you, but that's probably why you have such a fucked up religion.

[Minimalist]

hate to keep schooling you in front of your fans Minnie,

You haven't yet, moron. You just come across as an idiot who does not understand fucking English.

I do understand your desperate desire to have your horseshit say what you want it to say but I think you should take this up with your godboy. I do not regard your holy horseshit as my problem....although I do enjoy sticking it up your ass at every opportunity and will continue to do so.

[The Grand Nudger]

You know, whats really mystifying in what John offered, is that it reduces the metrics to absurdity, and while it's fun imagining all of the ways that a person might violate their own standards, there's always the potential that a truly deplorable person managed to stay "true to themselves" throughout the whole endeavor of life. So it really doesn't fucking matter. Meanwhile the asshole making the judgements is only beholden to its own arbitrary standard (which could be equally as deplorable as any given human's standards - and seems to be a fair bit -more- deplorable than many human's standards) -if it's held to the same standard-.....throughout the whole bit. So, I guess..thank you John, for reducing the entirety of your religion to a fucking joke.

[Drich]

Famous last words of the last reigning generation of the Roman empire.

LOL!!
Show of hands: Who wants to give up the modern world and go live in Ancient Rome? "Not I," said the little red hen...

i think you missed the point I was making about the last reigning generation of the Roman Empire. The declining social immorality of rome is often considered one of the top five reasons the empire fell. I was simply trying to draw a parallel between the last most corrupt generation of Romans who let 1000 year empire fall around them because their allegiance to their personal perversions took precedent over maintaining their country, to those of us who would ignore the roots and principles this country was founded upon, to force their preferred "freedoms" onto everyone else, and demand acceptance even if it means the foundations of this country are damaged beyond repair forcing the whole country to repeat the same mistakes that were made in Ancient Rome. I truly do not wish to live in any part of Ancient Rome, but it seems you and yours are determined to have us live there with the acceptions of mod/cons.

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hate to keep schooling you in front of your fans Minnie,

You haven't yet, moron. You just come across as an idiot who does not understand fucking English.

I do understand your desperate desire to have your horseshit say what you want it to say but I think you should take this up with your godboy. I do not regard your holy horseshit as my problem....although I do enjoy sticking it up your ass at every opportunity and will continue to do so.

you know what they say about personal insults Minnie.. They are the last desperate acts of an intellect, that has no other topical recourse. Are we already there?

Well at least you made it to post number 4 on this topic, before you started with the name calling. Not your personal best with me, but darn close..

Not to change the subject but your post got me to thinking. If I am an idiot who doesn't understand English, and I have taken you (with my english skill set) to the point where you dropped the subject being discussed, to personally attack my short comings, what does that make you?

Don't hurt yourself trying to come up with something, as I really don't need an answer from you. Just wanted you to think about what you say before you say it. I'm looking forward to your next post. ;D

[Godscreated]

Evil according to what standard? The arbitrary whims of a god are not a good standard for good and evil. Humans are the ones who have to actually experience good and evil and live with its consequences; God does not. Therefore, it is our definitions which should matter, rather than his.

God has no definition of good and evil, God is the standard for good it is who He is. God is unchanging and thus is the perfect standard, we do not have to wonder what next will change because with God it is always consistent. Times have changed and humans have change many things and continue to do so. Homosexuality have been in and out during thousands of years of human history, according to man. God however has never changed on this point. Encase you do not know the Greeks and Romans both accepted homosexuality in past history and they are now just that, history.

[Ryantology]

God has no definition of good and evil, God is the standard for good it is who He is. God is unchanging and thus is the perfect standard, we do not have to wonder what next will change because with God it is always consistent.

Consistency doesn't make something good. Neither does a petty, jealous being's overinflated opinion of his own righteousness demonstrate that his opinion is valid.

Times have changed and humans have change many things and continue to do so. Homosexuality have been in and out during thousands of years of human history, according to man. God however has never changed on this point. Encase you do not know the Greeks and Romans both accepted homosexuality in past history and they are now just that, history.

I have read the Old Testament. I have read the New Testament. There's pretty much no reason to believe they even represent the same god, as the God of the OT and the God of the NT have entirely different personalities. If they are the same being, then God has surely changed a huge amount. He went from a raging and stupid brute to a villain who gets what he wants through a Machiavellian mix of promises and threats, to the presently accepted view that he is a kind and loving personal god who gives a shit about everybody (even when it seems obvious that he doesn't). God even expresses regret in Genesis, and what is that if not a promise to change? He changes as those who worship him adapt the Bible stories to their own sensibilities. So it has always been, so it will probably always be. He's no more perfect than we are.

[Godscreated]

God has no definition of good and evil, God is the standard for good it is who He is. God is unchanging and thus is the perfect standard, we do not have to wonder what next will change because with God it is always consistent.

Consistency doesn't make something good. Neither does a petty, jealous being's overinflated opinion of his own righteousness demonstrate that his opinion is valid.

I was not speaking of His consistency being a definition of good, it's a good thing though. His righteousness is what will determine the punishment nonbeliever will be judged by, sounds pretty important to me.

Times have changed and humans have change many things and continue to do so. Homosexuality have been in and out during thousands of years of human history, according to man. God however has never changed on this point. Encase you do not know the Greeks and Romans both accepted homosexuality in past history and they are now just that, history.

I have read the Old Testament. I have read the New Testament. There's pretty much no reason to believe they even represent the same god, as the God of the OT and the God of the NT have entirely different personalities. If they are the same being, then God has surely changed a huge amount. He went from a raging and stupid brute to a villain who gets what he wants through a Machiavellian mix of promises and threats, to the presently accepted view that he is a kind and loving personal god who gives a shit about everybody (even when it seems obvious that he doesn't). God even expresses regret in Genesis, and what is that if not a promise to change? He changes as those who worship him adapt the Bible stories to their own sensibilities. So it has always been, so it will probably always be. He's no more perfect than we are.

I've read things I did not understand either, not the scriptures though, so do not feel bad about not understanding scripture where it says, the God of the past is still God today and will be tomorrow. The OT is about the need of Christ and His coming as the Messiah.
You're right God expressed regret in making man, yet He left us here, He did not change His mind, so you see you do not understand scripture let lone God. It's His worshipers who change not God, it is us who are imperfect, God is perfect.

[Ryantology]

I was not speaking of His consistency being a definition of good, it's a good thing though.

What you said was "God is unchanging and thus is the perfect standard". You're speaking that his consistency is what defines his perfection.

His righteousness is what will determine the punishment nonbeliever will be judged by, sounds pretty important to me.

The same way Stalin's "righteousness" is what determined who his victims were. "Righteousness" in this context would be more accurately replaced with "arbitrary whim".

Times have changed and humans have change many things and continue to do so. Homosexuality have been in and out during thousands of years of human history, according to man. God however has never changed on this point. Encase you do not know the Greeks and Romans both accepted homosexuality in past history and they are now just that, history.

I've read things I did not understand either, not the scriptures though, so do not feel bad about not understanding scripture where it says, the God of the past is still God today and will be tomorrow. The OT is about the need of Christ and His coming as the Messiah.

You're right, I do lack the ability to read a book which has many examples of God changing and come away convinced there are none. That's a level of cognitive dissonance far beyond my capacity to achieve.

You're right God expressed regret in making man, yet He left us here

That's funny, I thought he murdered everybody in the world except for one ass-kisser and his family.

[Godscreated]

I was not speaking of His consistency being a definition of good, it's a good thing though.

What you said was "God is unchanging and thus is the perfect standard". You're speaking that his consistency is what defines his perfection.

I qualified who God is before that and, with Him being unchanging sets up the perfect standard for man. Why do you constantly leave out things I say, is it just to have something to say even though it's not relevant.

His righteousness is what will determine the punishment nonbeliever will be judged by, sounds pretty important to me.

The same way Stalin's "righteousness" is what determined who his victims were. "Righteousness" in this context would be more accurately replaced with "arbitrary whim".

How, I mean how can you possibly mention Stalin as righteous, that's crazy dude. There are no victims with God, His judgement is completely just.

Times have changed and humans have change many things and continue to do so. Homosexuality have been in and out during thousands of years of human history, according to man. God however has never changed on this point. Encase you do not know the Greeks and Romans both accepted homosexuality in past history and they are now just that, history.

I've read things I did not understand either, not the scriptures though, so do not feel bad about not understanding scripture where it says, the God of the past is still God today and will be tomorrow. The OT is about the need of Christ and His coming as the Messiah.

You're right, I do lack the ability to read a book which has many examples of God changing and come away convinced there are none. That's a level of cognitive dissonance far beyond my capacity to achieve.

Before you said you implied you had a good understanding of the Bible, but now you don't, which is it? The problem with your cognitive reasoning is one thing, you read the Bible with an intended bias.

You're right God expressed regret in making man, yet He left us here

That's funny, I thought he murdered everybody in the world except for one ass-kisser and his family.

Nothing funny about that much evil in the world. By the way we're still here, He left this family to continue the human race, they were the only believers left. God judges evil and will do something about it.

[festive1]

LOL!!
Show of hands: Who wants to give up the modern world and go live in Ancient Rome? "Not I," said the little red hen...

i think you missed the point I was making about the last reigning generation of the Roman Empire. The declining social immorality of rome is often considered one of the top five reasons the empire fell. I was simply trying to draw a parallel between the last most corrupt generation of Romans who let 1000 year empire fall around them because their allegiance to their personal perversions took precedent over maintaining their country, to those of us who would ignore the roots and principles this country was founded upon, to force their preferred "freedoms" onto everyone else, and demand acceptance even if it means the foundations of this country are damaged beyond repair forcing the whole country to repeat the same mistakes that were made in Ancient Rome. I truly do not wish to live in any part of Ancient Rome, but it seems you and yours are determined to have us live there with the acceptions of mod/cons.

It's pretty obvious that modern US culture is, in many ways, more moral than Ancient Roman culture. We don't send political prisoners or prisoners of war to fight hungry, wild beasts in an attempt to entertain the masses. We don't have slavery, though the system of slavery in Ancient Rome was a "gentler" form than the slavery that was practiced in the US (slavery wasn't always hereditary, slaves could marry, slaves could buy their freedom, slaves could be educated, all of which were not allowed under the US system).

The big thing that led to the fall of ancient Rome was the upper, ruling classes didn't pay attention and dismissed the power of the masses. They didn't seem to grasp that if you keep a large majority of your citizenship in desperate, impoverished conditions, they will eventually rise up and depose you. To this end, yes, we in the US need to address the number of people we have in this country who live in poverty, which is still no where near the numbers of people living in poverty in Ancient Rome. We need to help lift the poor out of their poverty, which is largely due to no fault of their own, rather an outgrowth of the conditions they were born into, not from lack of motivation or hard work on their part (not in most cases anyway).
This is (partly) why I consider myself a socialist. If a revolution ever comes to America, my money's on the greedy, capitalist pigs of Wall Street and corporate America being the first group to go.