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Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
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 (June 14, 2013 at 2:21 pm)ronedee Wrote: You need proof. But to get your proof you need to actually believe first. Believing, having faith, is not proof. Faith, after all, is the veritable lack of evidence.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter  (June 14, 2013 at 1:40 pm)ronedee Wrote:(June 14, 2013 at 1:23 pm)Minimalist Wrote: For once I agree with ronny. God can be a cunt or could be if he existed. Why would god be a prick if there is not a comparably divine cunt? Perhaps god is an autoerotic homosexual?  ronedee Wrote:You need proof. But to get your proof you need to actually believe first. Why is it that the method to affirm Christianity is rife with bias?  RE: Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already
June 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm
(This post was last modified: June 14, 2013 at 3:17 pm by ronedee.)
(June 14, 2013 at 2:38 pm)Faith No More Wrote:ronedee Wrote:You need proof. But to get your proof you need to actually believe first. As I said...but everyone takes everything out of context here! YMMV... Faith is a personal relationship w/ God. I can't explain something you're are unwilling to try! Even if you/anyone did...its your own path to Him. (June 14, 2013 at 2:25 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:(June 14, 2013 at 2:21 pm)ronedee Wrote: You need proof. But to get your proof you need to actually believe first. Ok! But, you make Faith sound like a void. Like something is absent. So you say tomotoes and I say tomatoes?
Quis ut Deus?
(June 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm)ronedee Wrote: As I said...but everyone takes everything out of context here! If I took it out of context, why not defend it with the true context? (June 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm)ronedee Wrote: YMMV... Faith is a personal relationship w/ God. I can't explain something you're are unwilling to try! Even if you/anyone did...its your own path to Him. In other words, it can't be defended beyond the statement, "you just have to try it yourself." If I did try and found nothing, would you accept my disbelief? (June 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm)ronedee Wrote: Ok! But, you make Faith sound like a void. Like something is absent. Having a personal relationship with God is like a kid having a personal relationship with Santa Clause.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter (June 14, 2013 at 3:23 pm)Faith No More Wrote: If I did try and found nothing, would you accept my disbelief? Honestly? I accept your disbelief now! Its a great leap of Faith to believe in God. That's why the rewards are so great! And...all you really have to do is ask in earnest for an answer. that's all God needs to reveal Himself. I don't blame you, or anyone else. Some of my family members are atheists...including a daughter! Doesn't mean I don't care or love them. We're still in all this together! I'm a Chrisitian, but also a realist!
Quis ut Deus?
 (June 14, 2013 at 2:25 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:(June 14, 2013 at 2:21 pm)ronedee Wrote: You need proof. But to get your proof you need to actually believe first. I forget now who first said that the sceptic says "I'll believe it when I see it", while the credulous says "I'll see it when I believe it". I think it might have been me.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(June 14, 2013 at 3:25 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:(June 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm)ronedee Wrote: Ok! But, you make Faith sound like a void. Like something is absent. For you.....I won't try to convince you otherwise! I was once in your shoes...eh....metaphorically that is! Just my life experiences made me give it a try! It worked out I'm happy to say!
Quis ut Deus?
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