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For non-Christians: What would it take?
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A dinner date for two.
I hope God is more romantic than his portrayal in the Bible would suggest. 
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 (June 13, 2013 at 11:48 am)Rahul Wrote: Well let's be honest here. If a god somehow really did exist he wouldn't be like anything the abrahamic god. He'd just kill whoever he wanted if he was so inclined. Silly to think an all-powerful god would need my inefficient butt to take care of it for him. True, but what if it were an Abrahamic situation where this deity wanted you to prove your loyalty and love for him by sacrificing your only son (or anyone else)? And just when you're about to go through with it, thinking that like the Abraham story this god will stop you from completing your task, nothing of the sort happens and you bring the knife down.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
 (June 13, 2013 at 1:04 am)vangirl23 Wrote: I'm just really curious as to what some of the answers are so I'm putting this out there: What would it take for you to believe God is real? Either: A: A lobotomy. B: A massive lowering of my standard of proof. C: Some sort of mental breakdown. or D: A new personality. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. 
Hmmm..... I think some of you have gotten off track. The OP's question was really "what would it take for you to believe in HER god?"
 RE: For non-Christians: What would it take?
June 13, 2013 at 1:17 pm
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(June 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: True, but what if it were an Abrahamic situation where this deity wanted you to prove your loyalty and love for him by sacrificing your only son (or anyone else)? And just when you're about to go through with it, thinking that like the Abraham story this god will stop you from completing your task, nothing of the sort happens and you bring the knife down. Well if I was a believer and believed we would all spend an eternity in an afterlife, that really diminishes the importance of this short little existence on good old earth now don't it? If I was a Christian I would be much less concerned about going to war in Afghanistan and killing Muslims than I do as an atheist. Us Atheists believe this is all we're going to get. So killing a 40 year old muslim, I just cut out a huge chunk of his entire existence. As a Christian? Well the Muslims are all going to hell anyway. In the afterlife the first three hundred thousand trillion years is just warming up to live (or in the Muslim's case burn) forever. What does it matter if I send the guy there a couple decades earlier? 
A. A lobotomy.
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June 13, 2013 at 3:45 pm
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The short answer is, in order for me to believe, it would have to be more plausible that God exists and created man, than that man created God. Looking at the current situation, the latter interpretation looks vastly more likely.
It would be easier to convince me of a God that was either held hostage, or insane, or a sociopath, than it would be to convince me of the omni-everything sort of god. Also, a good low bar to clear would be some sort of entity that actually responds directly to communication attempts, and does so in a way that makes it unlikely that many different people are all simply suffering from a common delusion. This doesn't seem like much to ask. Ultimately though, this kind of question is like asking, "What it would it take for me to believe the movie Avatar depicts events that actually happened?" In both cases, the story has all the earmarks of a work of fiction, and man's fingerprints all over its creation. One just happens to be more recent than the other. EDIT: Also, I think it's useful to flip the question around, and ask if you were God, how would you go about convincing people of your existence?  (June 13, 2013 at 1:10 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Hmmm..... I think some of you have gotten off track. The OP's question was really "what would it take for you to believe in HER god?" Nothing more, nor less, than the same amount of evidence that exists for evolution. Just so I can laugh hysterically as I chant the words "IT'S ONLY A THEORY, IT'S ONLY A THEORY, IT'S ONLY A THEORY!!" as they try to convince me of it's verifiability. Shoe on the other foot, see.   (June 13, 2013 at 4:55 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote:(June 13, 2013 at 1:04 am)vangirl23 Wrote: I'm just really curious as to what some of the answers are so I'm putting this out there: What would it take for you to believe God is real?What would it take for you to believe that Dumbledore is real? Very little... Very little |
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