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God his own Enemy
#41
RE: God his own Enemy
(July 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm)Dionysius Wrote: I think you're a little quick on the moron and a little short on the metaphor.

You get creative freedom, but God gets none?

Your biggest mistake is using your own biased perspective, and limited information to interpet God's will, and motives.

The devil was [used] by God. And, for those who understand? Ultimately for the sake of Good... in the end!

As far as Job goes? That was "obviously" a hypothetical story about what "would" happen.... as many stories by the prophets of the OT.

IF you are to interpet God's will... you first have to think like God (if that is even remotely possible for anyone).

Most of the Truths of God are self-evident. But also much is hidden from those harboring bias, hate, ego and self-reliance. Let those go, and so do the limits on our wisdom and understanding!
Quis ut Deus?
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#42
RE: God his own Enemy
(July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm)ronedee Wrote: Your biggest mistake is using your own biased perspective to interpet God's will, and motives.

Seems to be precisely what theists do. Is it not stated within your fiction book that god is unkownable?

For those who claim in one breath that no one can know god, they certainly seem fond of making the claim that they alone know through god's will what is best for everyone else. It has become quite apparent that what theists claim as the will of god remarkably coincides with the wants and prejudices of man.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
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#43
RE: God his own Enemy
(July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm)ronedee Wrote: You get creative freedom, but God gets none?

Your biggest mistake is using your own biased perspective, and limited information to interpet God's will, and motives.

What I get from religion and what your average knuckle draggin' theist gets are very different. I credit this to being able to think outside of the herd or box and being generally skeptical. I got my first clue in church service where everyone held their hands in the air while singing hymns as if they were divine antennae. My next came from honestly considering how utterly stupid the idea of heaven and hell are? I mean really an infinitely smart intelligence has to have a little more originality that that? My last clue is when I saw religious people bickering, fighting warring and I though how very enlightening the message must be!

(July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm)ronedee Wrote: The devil was [used] by God. And, for those who understand? Ultimately for the sake of Good... in the end!

This is good and a can of worms I will gingerly and oh so very slowly dissect with you. First question: The devil works for God, is that right?

(July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm)ronedee Wrote: As far as Job goes? That was "obviously" a hypothetical story about what "would" happen.... as many stories by the prophets of the OT.

Job is a farce so what does that do to the blessed account of the messiah return? Will every eye see him riding on a cloud or is that hyperbole too?

(July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm)ronedee Wrote: IF you are to interpet God's will... you first have to think like God (if that is even remotely possible for anyone).

The bible clearly says this is possible for some but it is a gift depending on how you look at it.

(July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm)ronedee Wrote: Most of the Truths of God are self-evident. But also much is hidden from those harboring bias, hate, ego and self-reliance. Let those go, and so do the limits on our wisdom and understanding!

I agree with this. The goal is to let information come and go through the breezeway of our minds without imposing our values on it. To examine it without attachment.
"This time the bullet cold rocked ya a yellow ribbon instead of a swastika?" -RATM
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#44
RE: God his own Enemy
(July 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm)Dionysius Wrote:
(July 10, 2013 at 8:01 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: That's not beautiful; that's moronic. You have no idea how DNA works if you think it's only in a person's heart. DNA isn't only in the blood. It's in our bones, our marrow, our skin, our hair...and so much more. He may as well of said "the word is written in our toenail clippings" if he was really referring to DNA.

No, more likely the author was referring to the archaic notion that people's emotions and thoughts came from the heart. The bible is simply old-ass bullshit, no matter what spin you might want to put on it.

And how do you know God looks like the man in the mirror? I thought he was a spirit, or was it a burning bush...oh, right, Genesis says he made man in his image. Well, I guess we'll chalk this one up to cherry picking what you want out of the Bible to fit what you believe him to look like.

I think you're a little quick on the moron and a little short on the metaphor.

I'm just glad I was around to debunk another short-sighted claim. Whew.
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#45
RE: God his own Enemy
(July 11, 2013 at 2:51 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote:
(July 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm)Dionysius Wrote: I think you're a little quick on the moron and a little short on the metaphor.

I'm just glad I was around to debunk another short-sighted claim. Whew.

You sir are indispensable just like toilet paper Angel
"This time the bullet cold rocked ya a yellow ribbon instead of a swastika?" -RATM
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#46
RE: God his own Enemy
(July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm)ronedee Wrote: Your biggest mistake is using your own biased perspective, and limited information to interpet God's will, and motives.

The devil was [used] by God. And, for those who understand? Ultimately for the sake of Good... in the end!

As far as Job goes? That was "obviously" a hypothetical story about what "would" happen.... as many stories by the prophets of the OT.

IF you are to interpet God's will... you first have to think like God (if that is even remotely possible for anyone).

The first three statements are directly contradicted by the fourth. If it's not possible for anyone to think like god and therefore are unable to interpret god's will, then how can you possibly honestly form the opinion that Dionysus is wrong? Wouldn't that just be your interpretation?

If you are unable to interpret the will of god, how can you make the claim that any of god's actions- all in accordance with the will you have already said you can't interpret- are for the greater good?

And if this entire book is some super-coded thing that requires so much interpretation- from a divine mind at that!- then how can you say that one story is a hypothetical, but another is real? Where do you draw your distinctions? Incidentally, you're talking out both sides of your mouth by saying that whatever god did was for the greater good, and then in the next paragraph claiming it never happened.

Quote:Most of the Truths of God are self-evident. But also much is hidden from those harboring bias, hate, ego and self-reliance. Let those go, and so do the limits on our wisdom and understanding!

I though you said those truths of god required one to think like god? Which is it? Are they self evident, or do you need to ascend to the secret bonus level of consciousness?
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#47
RE: God his own Enemy
(July 11, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I though you said those truths of god required one to think like god? Which is it? Are they self evident, or do you need to ascend to the secret bonus level of consciousness?


I do believe there may be something to the idea of a secret bonus level of consciousness? I've never heard it explained that way but all the major religions and some not associated with religion at all swear by it? I think Nietzsche was one.
"This time the bullet cold rocked ya a yellow ribbon instead of a swastika?" -RATM
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#48
RE: God his own Enemy
(July 11, 2013 at 2:52 pm)Dionysius Wrote:
(July 11, 2013 at 2:51 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: I'm just glad I was around to debunk another short-sighted claim. Whew.

You sir are indispensable just like toilet paper Angel

Erm...you meant dispensable, right?

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#49
RE: God his own Enemy
(July 11, 2013 at 2:02 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:
(July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm)ronedee Wrote: Your biggest mistake is using your own biased perspective to interpet God's will, and motives.

Seems to be precisely what theists do. Is it not stated within your fiction book that god is unkownable?

For those who claim in one breath that no one can know god, they certainly seem fond of making the claim that they alone know through god's will what is best for everyone else. It has become quite apparent that what theists claim as the will of god remarkably coincides with the wants and prejudices of man.

Where and when does Jesus say that?

(July 11, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm)ronedee Wrote: Your biggest mistake is using your own biased perspective, and limited information to interpet God's will, and motives.

The devil was [used] by God. And, for those who understand? Ultimately for the sake of Good... in the end!

As far as Job goes? That was "obviously" a hypothetical story about what "would" happen.... as many stories by the prophets of the OT.

IF you are to interpet God's will... you first have to think like God (if that is even remotely possible for anyone).

The first three statements are directly contradicted by the fourth. If it's not possible for anyone to think like god and therefore are unable to interpret god's will, then how can you possibly honestly form the opinion that Dionysus is wrong? Wouldn't that just be your interpretation?

If you are unable to interpret the will of god, how can you make the claim that any of god's actions- all in accordance with the will you have already said you can't interpret- are for the greater good?

And if this entire book is some super-coded thing that requires so much interpretation- from a divine mind at that!- then how can you say that one story is a hypothetical, but another is real? Where do you draw your distinctions? Incidentally, you're talking out both sides of your mouth by saying that whatever god did was for the greater good, and then in the next paragraph claiming it never happened.

Quote:Most of the Truths of God are self-evident. But also much is hidden from those harboring bias, hate, ego and self-reliance. Let those go, and so do the limits on our wisdom and understanding!

I though you said those truths of god required one to think like god? Which is it? Are they self evident, or do you need to ascend to the secret bonus level of consciousness?

This is an easy one! My words are based in "Good". And God is?

So, mine are inspired. His are doubt and misinformation.

One has to think GOOD thoughts to think "like" God...I didn't say "as" God does.
Quis ut Deus?
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#50
RE: God his own Enemy
(July 11, 2013 at 3:28 pm)ronedee Wrote: This is an easy one! My words are based in "Good". And God is?

Oh! Oh! I know this game! We're going to play the "God is..." game!

God is...cheese!

God is...a Ninja Turtle!

God is...Skittles!

Oh...the answer was "God is good"? Damn...leading us to your presuppostions again.

Quote:So, mine are inspired. His are doubt and misinformation.

One has to think GOOD thoughts to think "like" God...I didn't say "as" God does.

I thought thinking Good thoughts helped us to fly when pixie dust is sprinkled on us.

Oh, right, different work of fiction. My bad.
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