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How did the Universe Come to be? (my beliefs)
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RE: How did the Universe Come to be? (my beliefs)
Hmm, I missed this nutjob post when it first appeared. Oh well, move along, nothing to see here.

Besides, we all know that Jax day is on the 24th of June.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: How did the Universe Come to be? (my beliefs)
(October 10, 2013 at 11:52 am)Minimalist Wrote: I read them anyway, dear. At my age I have to get my blood pressure up in the morning.

You've already got the internet. Just need a bit of Vaseline!
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: How did the Universe Come to be? (my beliefs)
(October 10, 2013 at 6:58 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: you know something can't come from literally nothing so something will always have to exist. Whatever that something is we know it isn't our own physical universe as we observe it as it had a beginning.

You mean god is impossible!!!!

I mean nothing created him right! and there was nothing before him right! and he can't have just come from nowhere...you just said so.... so there you have it.. sword of christ says god is impossible.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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RE: How did the Universe Come to be? (my beliefs)
(October 10, 2013 at 6:33 am)BrumelyKris Wrote:


if this isn't a joke, then what are you doing?
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RE: How did the Universe Come to be? (my beliefs)
(October 10, 2013 at 1:58 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(October 10, 2013 at 6:58 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: you know something can't come from literally nothing so something will always have to exist. Whatever that something is we know it isn't our own physical universe as we observe it as it had a beginning.

You mean god is impossible!!!!

I mean nothing created him right! and there was nothing before him right! and he can't have just come from nowhere...you just said so.... so there you have it.. sword of christ says god is impossible.
No. The idea is that the universe is a timed-rooted entity, so cannot have caused itself. So the Christian philosophy is that a timeless entity must have created it. The reason this entity must be sentient is that physics is itself a time-based entity-- you can't have physical causation, because there's no such thing as timeless physics. Therefore, a timeless "magical something" did it, and mind fits the bill better than body.

But saying God was sitting around thinking about making something, and then did, and was pleased, is too simple an anthropomorphism. Obviously, God couldn't be thinking without time, either: or creating anything.
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