JFK: The Smoking Gun

[Brian37]

DUDE, get a fucking grip he never traveled to Russia while in Japan. he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary! He went there AFTER he got a hardship discharge. FROM AMERICA, NOT JAPAN.

And got rejected once there,


HE was a mental case. Otherwise why would the Marines, the Soviets AND his non-military jobs have a problem with him?

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The Navy Yard Shooter this year, the Muslim guy a few years back murdered 9 people on a military base. All of them had clearance. Hinkley simply blended in in his attempt on Regan, just like Ruby blended in to shoot Oswald. But all of them were mental cases and did what they did because sometimes people snap. Gaps in security allowed all of them.

NO FUCKING CONSPIRACY!

DUDE nobody said he travelled from japan to Russia. Getting clearance on a top secret activity like reading U2 spy plane images during the Cold War isn't the same as the clearances that the others had.

WHERE did he learn Russian?

Do you believe oswald was a communist or rightwing anti-communist?

Was Oswald the only one who knew Russian on that plane or at that base that was spying on Russia?, who invited him to bone up on Russian, THE MILITARY! DUMBASS! BECAUSE RUSSIA WAS OUR ENEMY!

Are you that stupid as to think when we went after the attackers of 9/11 that our government didn't need any Arab speaking agents or military to find and catch Bin Ladin's minions and then eventually find Bin Laden? Foreign speaking military personally have always existed.

AGAIN, take your fucking head out of your ass, look at his history of Oswald's failures, they were not only in the Military, they were also in his personal life.

You look at many mass shooters and the same thing has happened to them. James Huberty (Mental illness and personal failure) McDonalds 24 dead in Ca in 1984.

The Lubies Cafeteria in Texas, George Hennard (mental illness and personal failure). Va Tech (Mental illness) . Fort Hood shooting(Muslim wanted to get even with America, delusional) WAS A U.S. ARMY MAJOR, 13 dead.

Different triggers, but all had the same thing in common, wanting to hurt others over perceived wrongs they thought were done to them.

Oswald shot a president, if he had gone into a mall or up a clock tower and shot civilians you wouldn't be making such stupid arguments.

If President Regan had died would you stupidly fucking claim that Hinkley who shot him had help?

Your stupid conspiracy crap exists because no one likes the mundane fact that a mere nutcase shot big target.

[Tartarus Sauce]

Oh, hello again I&I, so sorry to hear about your removal from TTA.

Oh hey, you did know making multiple accounts here is a bannable offense, right?

[CleanShavenJesus]

Reality: The McCone-Crowley memorandum. This a memorandum to James j. Crowley who was head of U.S. Secret services from the then head of the CIA. In this memorandum FROM THE HEAD OF THE CIA HIMSELF, states that Oswald worked for intelligence agencies out of the office of naval intelligence.

Reality- Oswald was working for U.S. Intelligence agencies.

http://mccone-rowley.blogspot.com/2006/1...e.html?m=1.

The actual photocopy of this memorandum is in that link.

Reality is fun.

I honestly don't know what you're trying to prove with this. Even if this is real, how much of it did you read?

It says that he was indeed an operative for the CIA. It also says, for the majority of the document, how unstable Oswald was and how little the government wanted to do with him. If anything, this helps prove how much of a nutcase he was, and how he probably did, in fact, act alone.

But here's something interesting: an excerpt from the exact website you're trying to use to help your points: "When I looked at it I knew instantly that it was a fake. How? It is not written in the proper format using the proper CIA style. One tip off is the marking "CO-2-34,030." That is actually from a Secret Service report. How would I know? Because I had obtained and used on my Web site some of the pages from that SS report, so the notation jumped out as a fabrication. What someone did was take a page from the SS report, maybe even downloaded it from my Web page, removed the original text and wrote their own. Also the wording is not how the CIA would word a document of that type at that time. They would not refer to Hoover by name or agencies by common names. Instead you would see code words like ODACID. You need to look at hundreds of thousands of genuine CIA documents as I have to develop a mental database of what genuine CIA documents look like. I have no doubt that the hoaxer really thought that something like that was said. I don't think the intent was like the other hoaxes to discredit all JFK assassination research. I think someone just assumed that he knew enough to create a realistic fake to incriminate the CIA."

Conspiracy theorists tend to ignore the details.

[I and I]

Reality: The McCone-Crowley memorandum. This a memorandum to James j. Crowley who was head of U.S. Secret services from the then head of the CIA. In this memorandum FROM THE HEAD OF THE CIA HIMSELF, states that Oswald worked for intelligence agencies out of the office of naval intelligence.

Reality- Oswald was working for U.S. Intelligence agencies.

http://mccone-rowley.blogspot.com/2006/1...e.html?m=1.

The actual photocopy of this memorandum is in that link.

Reality is fun.

I honestly don't know what you're trying to prove with this. Even if this is real, how much of it did you read?

It says that he was indeed an operative for the CIA. It also says, for the majority of the document, how unstable Oswald was and how little the government wanted to do with him. If anything, this helps prove how much of a nutcase he was, and how he probably did, in fact, act alone.

But here's something interesting: an excerpt from the exact website you're trying to use to help your points: "When I looked at it I knew instantly that it was a fake. How? It is not written in the proper format using the proper CIA style. One tip off is the marking "CO-2-34,030." That is actually from a Secret Service report. How would I know? Because I had obtained and used on my Web site some of the pages from that SS report, so the notation jumped out as a fabrication. What someone did was take a page from the SS report, maybe even downloaded it from my Web page, removed the original text and wrote their own. Also the wording is not how the CIA would word a document of that type at that time. They would not refer to Hoover by name or agencies by common names. Instead you would see code words like ODACID. You need to look at hundreds of thousands of genuine CIA documents as I have to develop a mental database of what genuine CIA documents look like. I have no doubt that the hoaxer really thought that something like that was said. I don't think the intent was like the other hoaxes to discredit all JFK assassination research. I think someone just assumed that he knew enough to create a realistic fake to incriminate the CIA."

Conspiracy theorists tend to ignore the details.

Tell us more about these details, how many CIA documents have you seen to make you think it's a fake?

[I and I]

Still no explanation as to how oswald got into Russia.

[Brian37]

Still no explanation as to how oswald got into Russia.

YES WE DO DUMBASS!

He saved his money got a visa and went there. Russia being our enemy then did not stop travel.

We have always been a diverse country. We have Iranian and Pakistan and all sorts of Arab immigrants who have LEGALLY migrated here today, they have family back home that they go visit from time to time. Does not mean they are all terrorists or spies for the government.

And again, Oswald would not have been the only Russian speaking person on the government dime at that time.

The mundane fact was a combo of Oswald's mental state and lax in security during the weeks before that day. NOTHING MORE!

You might as well be arguing Big Foot or Crop Circles or masturbate on a fucking Ouija Board, and it would still amount to GARBAGE!

[Captain Colostomy]

I honestly don't know what you're trying to prove with this. Even if this is real, how much of it did you read?

It says that he was indeed an operative for the CIA. It also says, for the majority of the document, how unstable Oswald was and how little the government wanted to do with him. If anything, this helps prove how much of a nutcase he was, and how he probably did, in fact, act alone.

But here's something interesting: an excerpt from the exact website you're trying to use to help your points: "When I looked at it I knew instantly that it was a fake. How? It is not written in the proper format using the proper CIA style. One tip off is the marking "CO-2-34,030." That is actually from a Secret Service report. How would I know? Because I had obtained and used on my Web site some of the pages from that SS report, so the notation jumped out as a fabrication. What someone did was take a page from the SS report, maybe even downloaded it from my Web page, removed the original text and wrote their own. Also the wording is not how the CIA would word a document of that type at that time. They would not refer to Hoover by name or agencies by common names. Instead you would see code words like ODACID. You need to look at hundreds of thousands of genuine CIA documents as I have to develop a mental database of what genuine CIA documents look like. I have no doubt that the hoaxer really thought that something like that was said. I don't think the intent was like the other hoaxes to discredit all JFK assassination research. I think someone just assumed that he knew enough to create a realistic fake to incriminate the CIA."

Conspiracy theorists tend to ignore the details.

Tell us more about these details, how many CIA documents have you seen to make you think it's a fake?

Apologies to The Monkees for the half-assed ripoff.

(Hums a few verses)

Chorus

Then I saw a fake, still I'm a believer
Without no trace of doubt in my mind
I'm in love, ooh...with an idea
I couldn't leave it if I tried.

(Hums for a bit...)

Bridge

Members out to get me
They're so very mean
Disappointing skeptics of my dreams...

(Repeat Chorus)

[CleanShavenJesus]

I honestly don't know what you're trying to prove with this. Even if this is real, how much of it did you read?

It says that he was indeed an operative for the CIA. It also says, for the majority of the document, how unstable Oswald was and how little the government wanted to do with him. If anything, this helps prove how much of a nutcase he was, and how he probably did, in fact, act alone.

But here's something interesting: an excerpt from the exact website you're trying to use to help your points: "When I looked at it I knew instantly that it was a fake. How? It is not written in the proper format using the proper CIA style. One tip off is the marking "CO-2-34,030." That is actually from a Secret Service report. How would I know? Because I had obtained and used on my Web site some of the pages from that SS report, so the notation jumped out as a fabrication. What someone did was take a page from the SS report, maybe even downloaded it from my Web page, removed the original text and wrote their own. Also the wording is not how the CIA would word a document of that type at that time. They would not refer to Hoover by name or agencies by common names. Instead you would see code words like ODACID. You need to look at hundreds of thousands of genuine CIA documents as I have to develop a mental database of what genuine CIA documents look like. I have no doubt that the hoaxer really thought that something like that was said. I don't think the intent was like the other hoaxes to discredit all JFK assassination research. I think someone just assumed that he knew enough to create a realistic fake to incriminate the CIA."

Conspiracy theorists tend to ignore the details.

Tell us more about these details, how many CIA documents have you seen to make you think it's a fake?

Re-read what I wrote. That paragraph is from the website you told us to look at, the website that has a copy of that document. And the owner of the site thought it notable enough to post. Does that not say something to you?

Also, why didn't you address the other things I wrote?

[Cyberman]

A little food for thought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35SGFzKRUS8

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

Still no explanation as to how oswald got into Russia.

I know, but it's super top secret, so only look if you want to risk being hunted down by the CIA:

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