? God existence?:(, :)

[atiehgirl]

Hi ,

I'm agree partially . But I want to make some additions .

Yes , the only valid proof of Gods existence is FAITH , the only valid proof of God's non-existence is FAITH .


- Wait a sec. It's true that no one can disprove the exsistance of god. The definition makes it, or "Him", utterly improvable. Faith is no proof for god either. Not so long ago, people would have bet their underwear that the earth was flat. People believed it, though there was no evidence, but there was no way to obtain it. Now we know that the earth is an ovular spheroid. I like Dawkin's example of the Celestial Teapot (I'm not explaining it, Google it.)

[LostLocke]

30:3 At the lowest point on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated.

Mentions The Lutte Lake (Dead Sea) . Its is the lowest point in the world....

Lowest point on land. Not the lowest point on Earth.
That belongs to the Mariana Trench. If the Bible/Qur'an said that, that would at least be a little more impressive for that time period, when people were no where near going to those depths yet.

[The Valkyrie]

The only valid proof of Gods existence is FAITH
The only valid proof of God's non-existence is FAITH

There are no hypotheses' that can lead to a theory that can be used to design experiments that would prove or disprove the existence of God. In this day and day and age we insist that empirical, repeatable evidence prove a theory.

Anecdotal evidence is not proof. The bible, Koran or any other missive do not nor can not prove anything about a God.

Hi ,

I'm agree partially . But I want to make some additions .

Yes , the only valid proof of Gods existence is FAITH , the only valid proof of God's non-existence is FAITH .

But there are more than faith for the God's existence >>> the some informations contained in holy books which could not be known by human .

If we consider the shortest path , according to the materialistic thoughts there is an end of each substance and it is not sufficient to explain the existences .

So the existence of God is leading 1-0 as score .

Provide this knowledge that couldn't be known by humans, please. And not vague passages that have been interpreted to mean something you or others want them to mean. Actual clear, concise passages.

[WackyWicky]

God.

Robert

What's a god?

So help me ... I can't help myself: a god is something that left the door open.

[Neo-Scholastic]

You are correct. The existence of God is not subject to empirical verification.

And therefore can be dismissed as a valid premise.

Logic cannot in-itself be empirically verified either. I don't think anyone wants to dismiss logic as a means for making sense of empirical sense data.

[Whateverist]

You are correct. The existence of God is not subject to empirical verification.

And therefore can be dismissed as a valid premise.

Can be ≠ must be.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

What's a god?

So help me ... I can't help myself: a god is something that left the door open.

I left my lounge door open.

So I'm a god by your definition.

Does that sound logical to you? I hope not.

[Nineteen]

Lowest point on land. Not the lowest point on Earth.
That belongs to the Mariana Trench. If the Bible/Qur'an said that, that would at least be a little more impressive for that time period, when people were no where near going to those depths yet.

Verse says ; fi-ednel-"ard"i

"Ard" means "earth surface" , not land .

"Deni" means "low"

"Edna" is derived from the word "deni" , it means "lowest" .

If we put aside all and thinks that you dont know anything about arabic . You had write "on land" , not "on the land" . So provides a general sense , not a specific place .

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Provide this knowledge that couldn't be known by humans, please. And not vague passages that have been interpreted to mean something you or others want them to mean. Actual clear, concise passages.

Comic and a sided perspective , not an objective perspective , also I dont expect an atheist to be objective no more , atheists are different than I thought .

Anyway , again I will provide you with a simple example . When the America was discovered ? in years 1500s . America wasnt known by anyone until this years . But Quran talks about all the earth in the verse . So includes America continent . So Allah knows that there is no place lower than the around of Lutte , including the America continent . I have proved .


Now I wonder the next challenge , maybe you will try to dig a bore which is lowest than the Lutte or you will deny the date of discovery of America or you will say Greeks were also know this .

This is really so funny .

[Duck]

Lowest point on land. Not the lowest point on Earth.
That belongs to the Mariana Trench. If the Bible/Qur'an said that, that would at least be a little more impressive for that time period, when people were no where near going to those depths yet.

Verse says ; fi-ednel-"ard"i

"Ard" means "earth surface" , not land .

"Deni" means "low"

"Edna" is derived from the word "deni" , it means "lowest" .

If we put aside all and thinks that you dont know anything about arabic . You had write "on land" , not "on the land" . So provides a general sense , not a specific place .

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Provide this knowledge that couldn't be known by humans, please. And not vague passages that have been interpreted to mean something you or others want them to mean. Actual clear, concise passages.

Comic and a sided perspective , not an objective perspective , also I dont expect an atheist to be objective no more , atheists are different than I thought .

Anyway , again I will provide you with a simple example . When the America was discovered ? in years 1500s . America wasnt known by anyone until this years . But Quran talks about all the earth in the verse . So includes America continent . So Allah knows that there is no place lower than the around of Lutte , including the America continent . I have proved .


Now I wonder the next challenge , maybe you will try to dig a bore which is lowest than the Lutte or you will deny the date of discovery of America or you will say Greeks were also know this .

This is really so funny .

Did you read the full paper I linked to? I didn't think so. And there are loads of man-made places lower that the bottom of the dead sea. And loads of other places in the world lower (they are under the actual sea).

[feeling]

Just because it says about some "Lower land" in quran means it is talking about america? Why can't you have some compassion and kill me right away instead of making me read that shit?