Christians worship a Devil

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how is Job betrayed?

Simple. he was Yahwehs minion and Yahweh had a covenant with Job to protect him. Jahweh removed that protection as a bet.

If your father another guy that he could do what he liked to you for a couple of weeks and you would still love him (your father) then your father will have betrayed you.

[EgoRaptor]

The funny thing is all that Satan ever did was oppose this. And he is supposed to be evil.

I guess you've never read or heard of the book of Job.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV

In this book Satan is given free reign over the life of Job to do whatever He wished to turn Job from God. What does satan do to accomplish this? He rains down all sorts of terror death and hardship. He even wanted to take Job's life, but God would not allow it. Sounds to me like your buddy has more on his mind than just opposing God.

The difference is that Job was a god fearing man & Satan's enemy. God is Job's "benevolent" master, & hands him over to his enemy for a bet.

[CapnAwesome]

There is almost no atrocity too bad for the Demon yahweh. Rape, Child murder, genocide, incest, enslavery, robbery, waging aggressive war are alll things that yahweh is guilty of and Its in their holy book!

And yet this Demon they claim is the Ultimate good!

Good thing he's entirely made up, eh?

[Jackalope]

There is almost no atrocity too bad for the Demon yahweh. Rape, Child murder, genocide, incest, enslavery, robbery, waging aggressive war are alll things that yahweh is guilty of and Its in their holy book!

And yet this Demon they claim is the Ultimate good!

Good thing he's entirely made up, eh?

Right. Otherwise people might get the idea that the character is a real dickhead and not worthy of being worshiped.

[Chad32]

What if it made you the Wealthiest man on the planet? Would a week of Hardship and loyality be worth that?

That's not the point I was trying to make. Sure, if I was given a hundred dollars every time my dad hit me with a belt, it would be much more tolerable. The fact that he's paying me to let him hit me does not make him a good person. It doesn't make what he did right.

[Drich]

how is Job betrayed?

Simple. he was Yahwehs minion and Yahweh had a covenant with Job to protect him. Jahweh removed that protection as a bet.

That would consitute a betrayal. Now all you have to do is provide book Chapter and verse that indeed shows that God had such an agreement with Job. I read Job through recently and the first chapter again just now and i did not see the agreement you speak of. From what I see God simply blessed Job because he was just and honest and God respected him for it. (just like it says in the first few verses.)

If your father another guy that he could do what he liked to you for a couple of weeks and you would still love him (your father) then your father will have betrayed you.

I have no idea what this means.

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The difference is that Job was a god fearing man & Satan's enemy.

Where did you get the idea Job was even aware of satan? let alone declared him an enemy?

God is Job's "benevolent" master, & hands him over to his enemy for a bet.

What in this story makes you think that Satan is an enemy of God on equal standing? Satan is subject to the will of God in this story, and there fore can not truly be an advsary, as a true advsary is not subject to the will of his enemy. In this story Satan has to 'get permission' for everything he does, and is even denied or limited on what he can do.

Your buddy seems to be little more than a reluctant servant of God with his own want and will that is strictly regulated.

that said (God and Satan are not enemies as you have painted them, rather that satan is little more than a reluctant servant of God) God did not hand Job over to anyone. God simply removed His 'Shield' from Job and allow satan to follow his heart's desire to a point. The fact that satan was not allowed to kill Job means Job was still under the care of God.

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What if it made you the Wealthiest man on the planet? Would a week of Hardship and loyality be worth that?

That's not the point I was trying to make. Sure, if I was given a hundred dollars every time my dad hit me with a belt, it would be much more tolerable. The fact that he's paying me to let him hit me does not make him a good person. It doesn't make what he did right.

I know that is not the point you wanted to make but it is still there.

Hardship is a fact of life. no one can truly escape all of it. The only question remains is if you want to be compensated for your hardship or would you rather endure it for free.

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There is almost no atrocity too bad for the Demon yahweh. Rape, Child murder, genocide, incest, enslavery, robbery, waging aggressive war are alll things that yahweh is guilty of and Its in their holy book!

And yet this Demon they claim is the Ultimate good!

Good thing he's entirely made up, eh?

At least we don;t have loons running around worshipping Lord Voldemort, well not yet anyway.

[Ksa]

Hardship is a fact of life. no one can truly escape all of it. The only question remains is if you want to be compensated for your hardship or would you rather endure it for free.

Hardship was a dirty compromise that mother nature had to make in order to spread life forms endlessly without having the resources to sustain it properly and joyfully. If mother nature was a woman, I would put her on birth control. Making kids is ok but if you cannot feed them all, you have a problem.

If you understand how the Universe works, you understand how mother nature works and you also understand how the human body works because they all work in the same way.

We have problems on Earth...the sun has to set and when the sun sets, the plants are in pain and again, when the sun rises, the plants joy. It's an endless joy-suffer cycle that is given by a geometry incompatible with a paradise-like existence. On planets having 2 suns, when one sun sets the other rises. The plants never have to suffer or run out of the warmth of light.

Humans are like that, they adapted to these poor conditions so when they face hardship their sun sets and they keep thinking about when the sun rises again to feel better. Without pain, without suffering one cannot survive on Earth.

[Drich]

Hardship is a fact of life. no one can truly escape all of it. The only question remains is if you want to be compensated for your hardship or would you rather endure it for free.

Hardship was a dirty compromise that mother nature had to make in order to spread life forms endlessly without having the resources to sustain it properly and joyfully. If mother nature was a woman, I would put her on birth control. Making kids is ok but if you cannot feed them all, you have a problem.

If you understand how the Universe works, you understand how mother nature works and you also understand how the human body works because they all work in the same way.

We have problems on Earth...the sun has to set and when the sun sets, the plants are in pain and again, when the sun rises, the plants joy. It's an endless joy-suffer cycle that is given by a geometry incompatible with a paradise-like existence. On planets having 2 suns, when one sun sets the other rises. The plants never have to suffer or run out of the warmth of light.

Humans are like that, they adapted to these poor conditions so when they face hardship their sun sets and they keep thinking about when the sun rises again to feel better. Without pain, without suffering one cannot survive on Earth.

is this supposed to refute my point or further support it?

[Ksa]

Hardship was a dirty compromise that mother nature had to make in order to spread life forms endlessly without having the resources to sustain it properly and joyfully. If mother nature was a woman, I would put her on birth control. Making kids is ok but if you cannot feed them all, you have a problem.

If you understand how the Universe works, you understand how mother nature works and you also understand how the human body works because they all work in the same way.

We have problems on Earth...the sun has to set and when the sun sets, the plants are in pain and again, when the sun rises, the plants joy. It's an endless joy-suffer cycle that is given by a geometry incompatible with a paradise-like existence. On planets having 2 suns, when one sun sets the other rises. The plants never have to suffer or run out of the warmth of light.

Humans are like that, they adapted to these poor conditions so when they face hardship their sun sets and they keep thinking about when the sun rises again to feel better. Without pain, without suffering one cannot survive on Earth.

is this supposed to refute my point or further support it?

It supports it but not in a way where suffering is a cosmological requirement for obtaining joy the way it is on Earth. I'm sure that on planets who are much more efficient at supporting life, everything lives in harmony and endless joy comes free...where life doesn't eat life. On Earth, the conditions are so poor, and life is in such excess that LIFE EATS LIFE. There's too much life so it has to eat itself up to survive because there is no other resource to sustain it.

You may not know it but this life eating life cycle was a lot worst 65 million years ago. There was so much life on Earth and the resources were so scarce that nature perfected killing machines, the dinosaurs, that only did one thing: Eat life. They were enormous, highly aggressive and carnivorous, smelled blood from miles off and only got pleasure from tasting blood and killing stuff that moved.

Then the asteroid came, destroyed most life and then the cycle calmed itself down. There was no more vile creatures lurking in every corner waiting to chop your head off whenever you came out of a hole. Balance was restored again.

So suffering is nothing but an incompatibility between the amount of life that exists on a planet and the available resources to sustain it. If life cannot sustain itself from natural resources it begins eating itself up, simply because there is no other resource. At first there were plants but then there were too many plants...so through evolution, herbivorous creatures started eating the plants, but when there was too few plants to eat, again the creatures were stuck and evolution brought up carnivorous species that started eating the stuff that ate plants. If the planet was an endless reserve with unlimited resources, I don't think anything but plants would have arised in that world and probably, intelligent life forms would be highly sophisticated plants lol.

Sure, when a wolf is eating you and is tearing your intestines, you're suffering, but think about why this is happening to you! The poor wolf has nothing else to eat. It's why nature invented it in the first place, because you were born in excess...both you and the wolf can't coexist peacefully because there's not enough resources for both of you! It's like being on a spaceship with not enough oxygen to return a 12 men crew home...you gotta give cyanide to 3 of them so they stop breathing and so your crew can return safely! Suffering is a compromise. It doesn't have to be that way.

As a result of it, our human body is so poorly designed that it's among the worst beings one can be in to experience joy. I don't know if you know anatomy but, the pleasure center in the human brain is so well isolated that accessing it requires a tremendous effort...it requires meditating deeply while having intercourse with a sexual partner that best describes yourself, while under the influence of THC, opioids, amphetamines and a panoply of drugs that restore what a real human should be like lol.

Do you know that there's holes in your brain through which dopamine is re-uptaken so that you stop feeling pleasure? You ever wondered why those holes emerged, evolutionarily speaking? There is no medical explanation for why the holes are there, but I have one. One day, a hole-free animal was contemplating the beauty of nature in pleasure, and another genetically mutated creature was born with holes, and was so unhappy that, instead of contemplating the beauty of nature it went and broke the skull of the other dude who was probably lost in oblivion. So from then things evolved in that way. You have holes in your brain so that you can be a better killer then those without holes who never suffer and who mind their own business. And this is the shitty genetic code we all inherited. I have to fight it every day.

And you cannot argue with that because we're so good at killing that we wiped out everything else, almost ourselves as well in the cold war. The holes in our brain make us unhappy and sad, and that makes us want things. IKEA furniture, women bragging about having an idiot's name on their jeans that probably cost them a fortune. Televisions with 500 channels. It's the duality: one cannot have pleasure and control at the same time. And humans want control because unfortunately, their bodies were not programmed to get anything else, which, if they got, they would not need anything else. It would not matter. You ask 2 lovers in the midst of their passion if they should switch to Bell TV or Rogers, or the latest Jeans brand coming out, they wouldn't give a flying fuck.