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What to do if someone tries to rape you
#71
RE: What to do if someone tries to rape you
(March 24, 2014 at 6:21 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: All this defence talk is all well and good, but most rape doesn't happen like that. It will usually happen in a familiar setting with a person you thought you could trust. Young women are especially at risk of being raped by boyfriends who tell them they'll leave them if they don't have sex with them, or pull the old "if you loved me you would..." Coerced sex is rape.
Boys these days can easily get the impression from movies, TV and Porn that sex is something they're entitled to, and women exist for the sole purpose of getting them off. Who's there to tell them any different? All they're told is not to commit the most violent kinds of rape, which funnily enough, are the least common.
Nothing you have said to me means that if there is a possibility that what is what is happening is rape, the correct response is exactly what I have been saying it is. Because to me, I don't care what the other considerations are. What SHOULD be the case in everyone's mind is that if they are about to be raped by someone, they will either run away or kill that fucker.

I definitely know this is not the case. It just my opinion that it should be, and the world would be a much better place if it were.

Also, of course, that is exactly what I will do if ever in that particular situation.
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#72
RE: What to do if someone tries to rape you
In all honestly, I would try my best to fight but in the end I'm entirely too small to fight off a male perpetrator. I'd end up getting myself hurt. SO, I think how I would react is subjective depending the perpetrator and what I think I can get away with in that specific situation.

Also, all rape cases are not the same... we all imagine being violently raped but in some cases that is not the motive... like date rape or statutory rape.
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#73
RE: What to do if someone tries to rape you
(March 24, 2014 at 7:18 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Side Question: Is there an ethical distinction, in your opinions, between an older man (we'll say 40+) who has sex with a young girl (we'll say 15) and an older woman who has a relationship with a young man, same ages respectively?

As a footnote, when I was 18 I was in a relationship with a 49 year old woman. While it shocked our friends and family, I don't think we received quite the same amount of attention that we would have if our genders had been reversed. Is this a sensible double standard?
Female pedophiles dont scare me. If I had been raped by a woman my only scars would be if she gave me an std. It really bothers me when men come onto me. In fact I would enjoy getting sexually assaulted and molested by any decent looking chick. I wish it would just happen on a regular basis
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#74
RE: What to do if someone tries to rape you
Interesting....
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#75
RE: What to do if someone tries to rape you
(March 24, 2014 at 3:20 am)Chas Wrote: I don't actually see that the photo admits of any other interpretation.
Wow. Your world must be so much simpler than mine.

Quote:It takes a great deal of training and regular practice to be able defend oneself without a weapon.
Hmm. It does not actually take a lot of "training," if you mean what I think you mean by that word. The "training" portion of learning the relevant things is incredibly simple and can probably be gained by "training" three times for 2 hours. However, it does take regular practice. And it is completely worth it and practical for every woman in the world to choose to make that commitment, because of what they will gain from it. And I don't know how this makes anything I just said less true. So I don't really know what your point is, basically. WAIT, I KNOW, you think that is a reason why it is a better idea for women to carry guns. Am I correct about that? Because for the record, I do not share that thought. Mostly because you are WRONG.

Quote:And if your attacker is 6' 2" and 250 lbs. then your chances of success are not good.
I pretty much explain why you are wrong about this and it is completely irrelevant.

Quote:If the assailant is armed, your odds drop alarmingly.
Probably the case. But the thing you should do in that situation is incredibly easy and just one simple thing and you could probably ask anyone who has done krav maga how to do it and they could explain it to you and show you and you could do it and you would understand. Making it a reflex requires conditioning and can take some time and needs reinforcement from time to time, but again, it is definitely worth doing.

Quote:If there is more than one assailant, you're screwed.
You are also wrong about this, because Aikido exists, and it is part of the experience of training in Aikido to practice dealing with multiple opponents at once and learning how to deal with that situation, and if you wanted to, you could probably get an Aikido sensei to teach you exactly that and nothing else. Do you see how phenomenally easy this actually is?

Quote:Please name that martial art. Or you will be 'wrong on the internet'.
Sorry, no. First of all, you are not even using that expression correctly. And secondly, nothing I said could in any way be rendered objectively "wrong" if I did not name that martial art, because that martial art does exist.

What you mean to say is that from your point of view, if I do not do that, I will definitely be wrong, and I'm guessing you mean to find out if what I said is actually true. If that is the case, good for you, because it means you care about being RIGHT about this.

To me, it makes no difference whatsoever, but for your convenience I will say that it is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. This is a martial art that was invented by someone who went around the world challenging every fighter of every possible kind, and then invented THIS based on what always works if you apply the technique correctly. And as Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu became a sport, it also became about efficiency and expending as little energy as possible the achieve of an advantage as possible.

I am really tempted to just go into a long diatribe about everything I have learned specifically from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu because it is a lot and all of it is of great value, but you probably do not really care so I will not do that.

Go ahead, look up Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and do just enough research to learn that it is exactly what I described. Should I provide you for a link to get you started?
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#76
RE: What to do if someone tries to rape you
(March 24, 2014 at 7:48 am)futilethewinds Wrote:
(March 24, 2014 at 3:20 am)Chas Wrote: I don't actually see that the photo admits of any other interpretation.
Wow. Your world must be so much simpler than mine.

Quote:It takes a great deal of training and regular practice to be able defend oneself without a weapon.
Hmm. It does not actually take a lot of "training," if you mean what I think you mean by that word. The "training" portion of learning the relevant things is incredibly simple and can probably be gained by "training" three times for 2 hours. However, it does take regular practice. And it is completely worth it and practical for every woman in the world to choose to make that commitment, because of what they will gain from it. And I don't know how this makes anything I just said less true. So I don't really know what your point is, basically. WAIT, I KNOW, you think that is a reason why it is a better idea for women to carry guns. Am I correct about that? Because for the record, I do not share that thought. Mostly because you are WRONG.

You making an unsupported statement.

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Quote:And if your attacker is 6' 2" and 250 lbs. then your chances of success are not good.
I pretty much explain why you are wrong about this and it is completely irrelevant.

No, you did not explain, you merely stated it with no actual evidence.

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Quote:If the assailant is armed, your odds drop alarmingly.
Probably the case. But the thing you should do in that situation is incredibly easy and just one simple thing and you could probably ask anyone who has done krav maga how to do it and they could explain it to you and show you and you could do it and you would understand. Making it a reflex requires conditioning and can take some time and needs reinforcement from time to time, but again, it is definitely worth doing.

I'm sure it is worth doing, it just not the only thing worth doing.

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Quote:If there is more than one assailant, you're screwed.
You are also wrong about this, because Aikido exists, and it is part of the experience of training in Aikido to practice dealing with multiple opponents at once and learning how to deal with that situation, and if you wanted to, you could probably get an Aikido sensei to teach you exactly that and nothing else. Do you see how phenomenally easy this actually is?

No, because it is not 'phenomenally easy'. And it is not even possible for some people.

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Quote:Please name that martial art. Or you will be 'wrong on the internet'.
Sorry, no. First of all, you are not even using that expression correctly. And secondly, nothing I said could in any way be rendered objectively "wrong" if I did not name that martial art, because that martial art does exist.

Another assertion without evidence. And I am merely tossing your own childish insult back at you.

Quote:What you mean to say is that from your point of view, if I do not do that, I will definitely be wrong, and I'm guessing you mean to find out if what I said is actually true. If that is the case, good for you, because it means you care about being RIGHT about this.

No, not wrong - just making unsubstantiated assertions.

Quote:To me, it makes no difference whatsoever, but for your convenience I will say that it is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. This is a martial art that was invented by someone who went around the world challenging every fighter of every possible kind, and then invented THIS based on what always works if you apply the technique correctly. And as Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu became a sport, it also became about efficiency and expending as little energy as possible the achieve of an advantage as possible.

So, is it krav maga or is it Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu?

Quote:I am really tempted to just go into a long diatribe about everything I have learned specifically from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu because it is a lot and all of it is of great value, but you probably do not really care so I will not do that.

I would like to hear what simple, reliable trick you are referring to. You have not substantiated anything in your responses.

To believe that handicapped, elderly, weak, ill, or just small people can effectively neutralize multiple assailants is a dangerous delusion.

Quote:Go ahead, look up Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and do just enough research to learn that it is exactly what I described. Should I provide you for a link to get you started?

I have had some martial arts training, as well. It has the limitations I have stated.
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#77
RE: What to do if someone tries to rape you
I love when people bring guns into rape self-defense. I am not a woman, but I am female - however, I have a psychotic disorder and if the law doesn't prevent me from owning a gun right now then it will in the future. So what are my self-defense options, peeps? Quill also brought up the fact that she cannot even shoot a gun due to the whole blind thing - what is she supposed to do?

For the record as well, I have taken martial arts. My sensei wanted me to stick with it to become a black belt - he was also, at the time, number 3 in the country as far as effective Shotokun karate schools. That being said, I've been looking at kung-fu and have a friend who practiced Northern Mantis for a while (and also had jiu-jitsu and tae kwan do training) and non-wushu kung-fu seems way more effective than most martial arts, including the one I took. Just my two cents since cannot actually objectively compare every martial art in existence at this moment.
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#78
RE: What to do if someone tries to rape you
If possible (and I realise it may not be) I would suggest long fingernails pushed hard into his eyeballs should distract him enough for you to get away.
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#79
RE: What to do if someone tries to rape you
(March 24, 2014 at 3:35 am)Thunder Cunt Wrote: You're a funny motherfucker Chas! Smile

(March 24, 2014 at 3:14 am)psychoslice Wrote: Even the time I was shot by someone along the highway, it sort of felt like being raped, its someone taking your freedom away, and in stead of being pierced by a penis it was bullet.

THat's an interesting way to put it. Which one damaged you the most

I have to say, getting shot, it happened early hours of the morning, the car span of the road, and I was lying there thinking the gun man was going to shot me again, it was so scary.
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#80
RE: What to do if someone tries to rape you
(March 24, 2014 at 5:24 pm)psychoslice Wrote:
(March 24, 2014 at 3:35 am)Thunder Cunt Wrote: You're a funny motherfucker Chas! Smile


THat's an interesting way to put it. Which one damaged you the most

I have to say, getting shot, it happened early hours of the morning, the car span of the road, and I was lying there thinking the gun man was going to shot me again, it was so scary.

Why did someone want to shoot you?
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