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Abortion is morally wrong
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 (July 12, 2014 at 2:50 pm)MagetheEntertainer Wrote: you seem to be a little misinformed about abortion. First of all Abortion does not kill Fetuses. In the united states abortions are only suppose to take place as late as 16 weeks which at this point the baby is not yet a fetus. But abortions most commonly take place around 6-8 weeks of pregnancy. No no no. Please do not discuss abortion until you learn some facts. This is an embarrassment.  (July 12, 2014 at 4:57 pm)Blackout Wrote:(July 12, 2014 at 4:10 pm)whateverist Wrote: So true. It would at least be available as a pill that you could have paid for by your medical plan. Some business bastard has to make money off the deal, some how.  RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 16, 2014 at 5:28 pm
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2014 at 5:29 pm by Mudhammam.)
I've been going back and forth with an old Christian acquaintance of mine on Facebook on this very topic the last few days, and I just want to say that I have found this thread very useful as a resource for arguments and rebuttals. It would be nice to have a forum with locked threads that listed all of the primary contentions and counterpoints of major issues such as this one though I'm sure it would be a tedious process to compile something like that and make it concise, easy to locate, and exhaustive--as many subjects such as this tend to require.
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 (July 16, 2014 at 5:28 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: It would be nice to have a forum with locked threads that listed all of the primary contentions and counterpoints of major issues such as this one though I'm sure it would be a tedious process to compile something like that and make it concise, easy to locate, and exhaustive--as many subjects such as this tend to require.I think DP makes this suggestion every now and then and regrets it by page 2.
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July 17, 2014 at 7:09 am
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2014 at 7:18 am by Whateverist.)
Personally, I don't think anyone who feels it is morally wrong to have an abortion should be made to have one. But if you can't yourself actually have an abortion, it would be best to raise your hand politely and put out what you believe tentatively, recognizing you're not a full party to the discussion.
If you can actually have an abortion yourself and don't think it morally acceptable, I urge you to consider how important it is for you to have the right to avoid having one. Then extend that same consideration to other women, recognizing their feelings about it may also be strong but become conflicted when circumstances necessitate a more than hypothetical decision.  (July 17, 2014 at 5:53 am)Tonus Wrote:Why don't you just write them down or memorize them?(July 16, 2014 at 5:28 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: It would be nice to have a forum with locked threads that listed all of the primary contentions and counterpoints of major issues such as this one though I'm sure it would be a tedious process to compile something like that and make it concise, easy to locate, and exhaustive--as many subjects such as this tend to require.I think DP makes this suggestion every now and then and regrets it by page 2.
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 (July 17, 2014 at 5:53 am)Tonus Wrote:(July 16, 2014 at 5:28 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: It would be nice to have a forum with locked threads that listed all of the primary contentions and counterpoints of major issues such as this one though I'm sure it would be a tedious process to compile something like that and make it concise, easy to locate, and exhaustive--as many subjects such as this tend to require.I think DP makes this suggestion every now and then and regrets it by page 2. The subject was discussed in this thread: http://atheistforums.org/thread-19172.html ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg) 
I do hold abortion for non-medically necessary reasons to be morally wrong the same as I do for war and executions. We should not have the right to determine who lives or who dies. What if a life that is aborted could have gone on to help cure cancer or even help just one person live a better life?
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 18, 2014 at 12:38 am
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2014 at 12:39 am by The Grand Nudger.)
More often, the "un-aborted" go on to be criminals. It's a confluence of class and opportunity. Meh.
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(July 18, 2014 at 12:31 am)Polaris Wrote: I do hold abortion for non-medically necessary reasons to be morally wrong the same as I do for war and executions. We should not have the right to determine who lives or who dies. What if a life that is aborted could have gone on to help cure cancer or even help just one person live a better life? Should we have the right to decide for another what shall or what shall not be allowed to grow in her womb? Whatever moral difficulty there may be will have to be handled by the woman whose womb has the unwanted baby growing in it. We can all say in the abstract what we would or should do, but only she has a practical decision to make. It has to be hers to decide. |
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