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Islam is true path of our lives
#41
RE: Islam is true path of our lives
Live with peace? TROLL ALERT
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#42
RE: Islam is true path of our lives
(July 13, 2014 at 1:52 am)OceanWave Wrote: 2. Live with peace, kindness, respect of others
3. Don't attack anybody first, only use self defense as the Quran states
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#43
RE: Islam is true path of our lives
(July 13, 2014 at 9:26 am)Faith No More Wrote:
(July 13, 2014 at 8:17 am)OceanWave Wrote: I think it's very silly to store info as legitimate coming from mainstream news sources like CNN, MSNBC, Fox, ABC, even Al Jazeera.

There's a consensus amongst many, including non Muslims that there's a purposeful smear campaign on these "media outlets " attempts to demonize Muslims. Why? Because it makes maintaining military bases easier and more acceptable for the populaces receiving this propaganda.

1. It makes it easier to forget more than 1 million Iraqi citizens have been killed
2. Easier to forget hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan including thousand of children
3. Easier to forget low thousands families killed by drone attacks in Pakistan and Yemen
4. It makes it easier to forget the UK/US in past century has been an active imperialist/colonialist powers with coups sponsored all over the globe from Asia to Africa to South America
5. It makes it easier to forget the media is a mouthpiece of the western military complex.
6. Makes it also easier to forget what the NSA is doing and how liberties of Americans are being violated increasingly
7. Makes It easier to forget the Taliban was created with is help, bin laden was a CIA agent "orginally, or that UK instilled the Baathist regime in Iraq of saddam. Or that UK helped Saud family take power ( see treaty of Jeddah 1927)
8. Also easy to forget who's funding these Al Qaeda rebels in syria fighting the government ( UK, France, Saudi, Qatar, us)

9. all these things can be conveniently put aside if you just want to maintain the status who in your mind and maintain your own version of reality. But there are many who refuse to remain ignorant.

Why is it that when people mention the atrocities done in the name of Islam, the so-called "moderate Muslims" never, ever try to explain how they believe those people aren't truly following Islam, but instead they try to blame the problem on the West and claim it's trying to demonize Islam? If you don't like the West's media coverage of Islam, perhaps you should be blaming the people that are out there slaughtering innocents in the name of your precious god, rather than pathetically pointing the finger at the people that rightfully talk about how many followers of Islam are guilty of human rights violations.

No one is responsible for Islam's image problem except for the assholes that carry out rape and murder in its name. But of course, the moderates never seem to want to address that. I wonder why that is?

Very silly post. Muslims have explained countless times those actions aren't related to Islam.

In fact you can look at the primary source, the Quran and it will give you the answer about killing innocents. The knowledge is there, you just have to read it.
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#44
RE: Islam is true path of our lives
We aren't innocents, we're apostates. That's probably what makes it "okay". I shouldn't have to tell you this, it's your book.
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#45
RE: Islam is true path of our lives
(July 13, 2014 at 8:11 am)Baqal Wrote: @OceanWave
-1. Because it's He that created you. He put you into this world, he gave you senses
The Christians are telling me the same stuff. How do I know they are wrong and you're telling the truth?

-2. Quran 2:190
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors."
Any verse referring to fighting infidels is only after there attacked first and become transgressors

Well, there's the problem. There's a contradiction. In The Repentance, Allah explicitly states that polytheists should be killed for being "infidels" for no apparent reason. Why is Allah bothered by the presence of other gods when He knows that He's the only true god?

-3. His appearance is something only He can fully know. We can't ever fully comprehend Him. But He can fully comprehend us.
I knew you were going to say something like this. Please give me a finite answer, because I'm so curious what Muslims think of their god's appearance.

You can listen to what Christians say that's your business. It's obvious there are differences between Islam and Christianity

Allah never says infidels should be killed just for being polytheist a. That's untrue.

Allah can not be comprehended by sight 100% , that's the finite answer

(July 13, 2014 at 9:44 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:
(July 13, 2014 at 9:26 am)Faith No More Wrote: Why is it that when people mention the atrocities done in the name of Islam, the so-called "moderate Muslims" never, ever try to explain how they believe those people aren't truly following Islam, but instead they try to blame the problem on the West and claim it's trying to demonize Islam? If you don't like the West's media coverage of Islam, perhaps you should be blaming the people that are out there slaughtering innocents in the name of your precious god, rather than pathetically pointing the finger at the people that rightfully talk about how many followers of Islam are guilty of human rights violations.

No one is responsible for Islam's image problem except for the assholes that carry out rape and murder in its name. But of course, the moderates never seem to want to address that. I wonder why that is?

THIS!!!!!!

Or is perhaps whats going on in syria 2 is sects of peaceful muslims peacefully sorting out their reasonable differences in a progressive and forward looking manner while the western media merely PORTRAYS it as a bunch of backwards bloodthirsty C**ts murdering each other by the thousand to prove that their way of following allah is the most peaceful.

Cos that sure is what it seems like.

You should expand your knowledge of the situation in Syria.

This "revolution" is a Western/foreign backed plot to remove the Syrian government and instill a puppet government that will be friendly to western interests which includes israel.

Western governments are supporting test terroris groups in syria. While Russian , Iran, Lebanon are providing support against these terrorists.
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#46
RE: Islam is true path of our lives
A wise man once said he only prays to Joe Pecsi, so I have began doing the same. Although he only answers my prayers at the same rate as others, win some and lose some, I can at least see him and know he is real.

He has answered my prayer and has agreed to reunite with Robert De Niro and Martin Scorses in a new movie, and that is a true blessing. Now if only he would bring back Ray Liotta...
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#47
RE: Islam is true path of our lives
(July 13, 2014 at 10:11 am)Stimbo Wrote:
(July 13, 2014 at 7:56 am)OceanWave Wrote: Orphans are unique, especially the children. They have very little and miss out on one of life's most important things. Stealing from orphans is one of the biggest sins in Islam.

I happen to agree, for the most part. I can't imagine having to grow up an orphan. But your last sentence puzsles me; why isn't it enough to say that stealing from orphans (or indeed from anyone worse off than yourself) is an awful thing to do regardless of what your or anyone's religion says? Are you saying that if Islam didn't mention it, there would be nothing to stop you from stealing from orphans?

(July 13, 2014 at 7:56 am)OceanWave Wrote: Your life is not dandy if you can't see this. Your life is not dandy without Islam. It's empty

Yeah, yeah. Enough with the sales pitch. I don't think you'll find anyone here in the market for an imaginary self-aggrandising scapegoat. Especially yours.


Islam is the only religion that highly condemns stealin from orphans. It's worse. Than stealing from a non orphan.

Are you going to comment it's wrong to steal from orphans? That's silly.

From the atheist viewpoint. There is no moral absolutes. Only relativism. You certainly can't sit her and say stealing from orphans is "wrong" you can't say anything is "wrong "
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#48
RE: Islam is true path of our lives
(July 13, 2014 at 10:38 am)OceanWave Wrote: In fact you can look at the primary source, the Quran and it will give you the answer about killing innocents. The knowledge is there, you just have to read it.

And just as with my earlier post to which I eagerly await a response, why do you need a book to tell you the difference between what is right and what is wrong? Is that the only thing keeping you from doing these things? If not, why do you still cling to the book?
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#49
RE: Islam is true path of our lives
(July 13, 2014 at 10:51 am)Stimbo Wrote:
(July 13, 2014 at 10:38 am)OceanWave Wrote: In fact you can look at the primary source, the Quran and it will give you the answer about killing innocents. The knowledge is there, you just have to read it.

And just as with my earlier post to which I eagerly await a response, why do you need a book to tell you the difference between what is right and what is wrong? Is that the only thing keeping you from doing these things? If not, why do you still cling to the book?

It's Allah telling us what is wrong as right. That's absolute to us

In your life, right and wrong is relative. Which is flawed in my belief. You're free to believe what you wan
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#50
RE: Islam is true path of our lives
Quote:From the atheist viewpoint. There is no moral absolutes. Only relativism. You certainly can't sit her and say stealing from orphans is "wrong" you can't say anything is "wrong "

First, if the only thing keeping your moral integrity is your god, you're the one who has serious judgement issues. And second, I'm an atheist and I believe inside each society objective morals exist, a minimum of consensus everyone has... As for absolute morals there is no such thing. You committed the false dilemma fallacy, you're saying it's either absolute morals V moral relativism, while forgetting moral objectivism. If you think all atheists support moral relativism you are wrong. Plus you claimed another false dilemma, either we believe in god or our morals have no meaning or value.

If your absolute morals consists in having sexual slaves and executing non believers, I'd rather go to hell than submit to such perspective
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