So Brian, let's try and get an answer...
What evidence do I need to believe in God?
What evidence do I need to believe in God?
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Yes I pick on all religions.
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe 
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope?
Any evidence will do for you. Doesn't matter if its not reliable or testable or demonstrable or repeatable. Just as long as it feels good.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
(Try to ignore the troll)
 (September 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So Brian, let's try and get an answer... Nope, you already have your "answer". And like everyone else with a god claim none of you have the balls to bring your claims into a neutral lab. Now when you are willing to do that, and have your data confirmed then we can talk. Until then it is up to you to do your own homework. Why don't you just give it up and admit you have no evidence and admit it is merely what you like believing. That would be an honest answer.
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (September 10, 2014 at 2:53 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (Try to ignore the troll) ![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=media.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F4OqDuGxPOg5CU%2Fgiphy.gif) I'm the troll when you are still playing your stupid games?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 10, 2014 at 5:46 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2014 at 6:17 pm by fr0d0.)
What I firmly state Brian, is that there cannot possibly be evidence of a physical nature.
This is logically demanded by the nature of God as it is defined. You, on the other hand, demand that I bring evidence. When I ask you how or what, you go silent, and try to ask me to provide what is logically impossible. Your own delusion. But get this... You then say that I'm illogical. I don't believe in God with no reason. Did you notice that word? Reason. The same process every human uses to understand the world. Including you. Delude yourself all you like. Your empty accusations are meaningless. ![[Image: 789eb2a140962a1ceeb77d50951b17e9.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=media-cache-cd0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F78%2F9e%2Fb2%2F789eb2a140962a1ceeb77d50951b17e9.jpg)
 RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 10, 2014 at 7:24 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2014 at 8:02 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 10, 2014 at 5:46 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: What I firmly state Brian, is that there cannot possibly be evidence of a physical nature. If you claim that your god has effects on this universe, then there will be a physical trail from those effects. Just like cosmic particles leave trails in a cloud chamber. YOu don't see the particle itself, but the effects are testable. Quote:This is logically demanded by the nature of God as it is defined. Yeah, define your god to not leave physical evidence for its existence, and lo and behold, it lives up to your definition. I'm shocked! Quote:You, on the other hand, demand that I bring evidence. When I ask you how or what, you go silent, and try to ask me to provide what is logically impossible. Your own delusion. Then don't claim you god effects the workings of this universe, then you don't have to provide evidence for those that doubt his existence. Quote:I don't believe in God with no reason. Did you notice that word? Reason. You just have bad reasons. Quote:The same process every human uses to understand the world. Including you. For existential claims, our process is to evaluate demonstrable evidence using reasoned argument and valid/sound logic. That doesn't quite sound like the process you use. Quote:What evidence do I need to believe in God? Lets turn that question around. So, what evidence would you accept for the existence of Shiva? Or one of the other gods you don't believe exist? You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. (September 10, 2014 at 5:46 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: What I firmly state Brian, is that there cannot possibly be evidence of a physical nature. Well that does it, you posted a meme, see you in church, no wait a mosque.....no wait.....a Synagogue. Nope I can't make you think, for once you are right.
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope?
If you cannot demonstrate the existence of something then you are not justified in believing it.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 11, 2014 at 6:04 am
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2014 at 6:11 am by fr0d0.)
All of reality is evidence Simon. Go test it, it's real. Could you prove God and destroy all religions that say he isn't testable in one fell swoop? I'll let you figure that one out. Wolfie and Brian: I'll let you guys off
 Those problems don't need to be existential to fall outside of the realms of the scientific method Simon. Love is a similar type of question. It's a rational process that leads you to be convinced of it. Belief is the same process: evaluate information and ascertain the correct answer. Depending upon the quality of the information and the veracity of your conclusions, you come to a decision. You arrogantly state that I'm wrong. Yet you have no way of knowing either of the above about me. Taking your failure of logic there would lead me to suppose that your deductive skills are wanting. Still I don't accuse you of drawing an incorrect conclusion given your sources. |
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