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RE: Why Would God Hide?
November 5, 2014 at 9:45 am
Nobody's hiding from Yahweh. In fact I think we'd all like to meet him and have a serious talk about why he thinks we're evil just for exercising our free will. After all, the whole point about being free is being able to choose things someone else doesn't like without repercussions, as long as we aren't hurting others.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
November 5, 2014 at 10:49 am
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Perhaps the point of free will was as an attempt at self validation. Just throwing that out there as a competing "point" to having free will. Created as golems to service a need. Course, what do golems always do in these stories?
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
November 6, 2014 at 3:01 am
(November 5, 2014 at 9:45 am)Chad32 Wrote: Nobody's hiding from Yahweh. In fact I think we'd all like to meet him and have a serious talk about why he thinks we're evil just for exercising our free will. After all, the whole point about being free is being able to choose things someone else doesn't like without repercussions, as long as we aren't hurting others. the vast majority of free will decisions do not involve morality.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
November 6, 2014 at 11:10 am
So we get free will just for the little things like what color clothes we wear, and our house furniture, but having serious debates over world changing issues is wrong?
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
November 6, 2014 at 11:24 am
(November 6, 2014 at 11:10 am)Chad32 Wrote: So we get free will just for the little things like what color clothes we wear, and our house furniture, but having serious debates over world changing issues is wrong?
Well, you're not supposed to think about the big things! Just have faith in gawd!
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
November 8, 2014 at 9:27 am
probably if he existed he hates everyone because we are scientifically advance enough to question his existence.
god is complex there for he needs a creator <- watch maker argument. it would make more since if the bible said
we were made by an advance alien race that i would get behind. But since there is no evidence or will ever be evidence of he doesn't
exist.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
November 10, 2014 at 7:48 pm
(November 8, 2014 at 9:27 am)dyresand Wrote: probably if he existed he hates everyone because we are scientifically advance enough to question his existence. What-- is he a quadriplegic? All he needs to do is draw back the curtain with one hand, and wave with the other. All of the explanations for why god won't show himself are attempts to work around the thorny problem of god not showing himself. Some theists will claim that even if he showed himself, atheists would not believe in god. Which seems like a reversal of their approach: not having seen god and explaining that he is utterly undetectable, they nonetheless insist he's there.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
November 10, 2014 at 8:25 pm
(November 10, 2014 at 7:48 pm)Tonus Wrote: (November 8, 2014 at 9:27 am)dyresand Wrote: probably if he existed he hates everyone because we are scientifically advance enough to question his existence. What-- is he a quadriplegic? All he needs to do is draw back the curtain with one hand, and wave with the other. All of the explanations for why god won't show himself are attempts to work around the thorny problem of god not showing himself. Some theists will claim that even if he showed himself, atheists would not believe in god. Which seems like a reversal of their approach: not having seen god and explaining that he is utterly undetectable, they nonetheless insist he's there. René Descartes reasoned that the 5 senses are unreliable - 'Knowledge of the nature of reality derives from ideas of the intellect, not the senses. ' http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/descar...stemology/
God is an inference to the best explanation. scientists sometimes postulate ideas that are unobservable in order to explain the data that is observed for instance dark energy.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
November 10, 2014 at 8:28 pm
And then they set up experiments to try and test those ideas against reality.
Incidentally, scientists rarely if ever say that dark energy is unobservable; merely unobserved right now. We can certainly detect its effects on the matter and energy that we can observe.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
November 11, 2014 at 6:25 am
(November 10, 2014 at 8:25 pm)snowtracks Wrote: René Descartes reasoned that the 5 senses are unreliable - 'Knowledge of the nature of reality derives from ideas of the intellect, not the senses. ' Is that your claim, then-- that god is only undetectable "to the five senses"? Because if so, then you are saying that there is a way to detect him. Scientists seek out ways to detect any phenomena for which they have a hypothesis, so that others may test the hypothesis and learn more. Then they might make additional observations and discoveries, and possibly establish some facts from which they can build a theory.
On the other hand, if what you are saying is that he is undetectable except for your imagination well... we knew that.
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